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Post by voodoo on Nov 23, 2011 21:03:19 GMT -5
move the Kings to Boise where the powerbar originated
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Post by ThePoopSmith on Nov 23, 2011 22:47:40 GMT -5
move the Kings to Boise where the powerbar originated And make their home court bright blue.
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Post by voodoo on Nov 23, 2011 23:24:18 GMT -5
Blue balls
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Post by blackhill on Nov 27, 2011 2:12:09 GMT -5
Amnesty Harrington.
Forbes for the min., or he can walk.
Affalo, 5 year starting at 7 million, or he can walk (frontload contract)
Nene, 5 year staring at 13 million, or he can walk (frontload contract, if possible)
Chandler, 5 year 6.5 million per yearr, or he can walk.
Goodybe to JR and KMart unless they will take a little less than midlevel.
I love AAA, but if the Nugs can pair Nene with Tyson Chanlder or Marc Gasol, we would be doing a nice job of building with bigs first, the best way to go, I think.
Resigning just AAA and Nene could be palatable if their contracts were frontloaded. I don't see AAA getting a ridiculous offer, so I expect him back. Under the new CBA, I'm not so sure that Nene can sign anywhere else, even in an extend and trade, for longer than 4 years. I expect him back as well.
If Nene gets an insane offer starting at 15 mil per year, I say let him go and get the min team salary needed by taking on contract or two in exchange for a draft pick or two.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2011 8:27:17 GMT -5
the truth about the nba is there are too many teams. there are definitely not enough superstars to keep small market teams relevant which is why teams overspend for semi-stars (joe johnson, rudy gay, k-mart).
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Post by nuggetshipster on Nov 27, 2011 10:26:51 GMT -5
Who would offer Nene 13-15 mill?
I think he would only leave Denver if a true contender could get him, but none of them got the cap space.. I expect him back
How old did Nene say he would be when he's retiring?
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Post by inyourmind on Nov 27, 2011 12:12:36 GMT -5
Didn't the Jazz try and keep Matthews and the Blazers gave him way too much money? I'm kinda worried somebody's going to do that with AA. Would suck to see the Nuggets overspend on guy's like AA|Nene. Rather lose 'em than end up strapping the future.
It's kinda fun how many question marks are surrounding this team atm. No J.R|K-Mart|Chandler. AA|Nene need new deals. Gallo|Lawson have opt out deals right? I know Lawson was struggling oversea's.
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Post by LotharBraunBrownBryant on Nov 27, 2011 12:19:00 GMT -5
Nick Collison's last deal was frontloaded: $13m in the first year, and then 3, 3, 2.5, and 2. If we don't have a plan for the rest of this year's cap space, and the CBA still allows it, I'd like to do something similar (but bigger) with Nene. Instead of 4 years at 9-10 mil each, start him at whatever the max is, somewhere around 16m, and then go down to 7-8 for the final 3 years -- same amount of money, but leaves more flexibility down the road.
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Post by LotharBraunBrownBryant on Nov 27, 2011 12:40:53 GMT -5
Gallo|Lawson have opt out deals right? You should just bookmark storytellerscontracts.com/ for when this sort of question comes up. Gallo and Lawson are both still on rookie deals. This year was a team option year, which was picked up. (We also picked up Koufos' option.) Currently under contract (millions): Ty (1.6), Dre (7.8) Hamilton (0.9) Gallo (4.2) Faried (1.0), Al (6.2) Birdman (4.3), Moz (3.3), Koufos (2.2) Total: 31 million. Expected cap is around 60m with the tax around 70m. So if we just use raw cap space, we can start Nene at 10, AA at 8, Forbes at 1-2, and still have 9-10m to use on a free agent. That number can get bumped up to 16 if we amnesty Al. Alternately, we can act as an over-the-cap team (because of all our cap holds) and sign everyone using exceptions. Resign Nene, AA, Forbes using bird rights and such, and then use the Melo trade exception of 17 mil in a S&T -- so whichever guy we decide to go after, we can offer a boatload of money, and send his old team a couple crappy picks for the privilege. And we'd still have the full MLE, as we'd still be below the tax line. The Nuggets are in damn good shape going into FA.
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Post by inyourmind on Nov 27, 2011 12:44:01 GMT -5
Gallo|Lawson have opt out deals right? You should just bookmark storytellerscontracts.com/ for when this sort of question comes up. Gallo and Lawson are both still on rookie deals. This year was a team option year, which was picked up. (We also picked up Koufos' option.) Currently under contract (millions): Ty (1.6), Dre (7.8) Hamilton (0.9) Gallo (4.2) Faried (1.0), Al (6.2) Birdman (4.3), Moz (3.3), Koufos (2.2) Total: 31 million. Expected cap is around 60m with the tax around 70m. So if we just use raw cap space, we can start Nene at 10, AA at 8, Forbes at 1-2, and still have 9-10m to use on a free agent. That number can get bumped up to 16 if we amnesty Al. Alternately, we can act as an over-the-cap team (because of all our cap holds) and sign everyone using exceptions. Resign Nene, AA, Forbes using bird rights and such, and then use the Melo trade exception of 17 mil in a S&T -- so whichever guy we decide to go after, we can offer a boatload of money, and send his old team a couple crappy picks for the privilege. And we'd still have the full MLE, as we'd still be below the tax line. The Nuggets are in damn good shape going into FA. Thanks for all that info but I was actually talking about Europe. Read an article about how some guy's signed deals with teams oversea's that didn't have an opt out clause. I think Chandler was one of them. Was pretty positive Lawson wasn't, no clue about Gallo. I think Sonny Weems is another one who took a deal without a opt on clause.
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Post by LotharBraunBrownBryant on Nov 27, 2011 15:16:37 GMT -5
Any players with pre-existing NBA contracts are still required to abide by them, even if they're playing in another league. Our contracts supercede theirs.
Every foreign league, except China, has opt-out clauses for this reason. China has chosen not to sign players with existing contracts (only free agents) so they don't have to worry about it. (All of our unrestricted free agents -- JR, KMart, ill Wil -- signed in China.)
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Post by voodoo on Nov 27, 2011 22:28:51 GMT -5
I think Chandler is restricted, meaning he is in the same boat that Kleiza was in if/when he ever returns to the NBA he has to beg the Nuggets not to match whatever offer he signs with another team.
And when this happens, Ujiri should threaten to match, and at least get a draft pick for him.
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Post by Camby's Left Nut on Nov 27, 2011 23:37:53 GMT -5
Or if it's reasonable, just match and trade him later. I think we would've done that with Kleiza if he didn't get vastly overpaid and the possibility of being stuck with him wasn't so horrible. At least Chandler is decent and will have some trade value.
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Post by blackhill on Nov 28, 2011 0:08:40 GMT -5
Who would offer Nene 13-15 mill? I think he would only leave Denver if a true contender could get him, but none of them got the cap space.. I expect him back How old did Nene say he would be when he's retiring? Nene wants 5 years, just watch. He will get paid about 13-15 million a year.
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Post by blackhill on Nov 28, 2011 0:11:00 GMT -5
Nick Collison's last deal was frontloaded: $13m in the first year, and then 3, 3, 2.5, and 2. If we don't have a plan for the rest of this year's cap space, and the CBA still allows it, I'd like to do something similar (but bigger) with Nene. Instead of 4 years at 9-10 mil each, start him at whatever the max is, somewhere around 16m, and then go down to 7-8 for the final 3 years -- same amount of money, but leaves more flexibility down the road. If the new CBA does allow this, I really think the frontloading is the way to go. Unless, that is, Chandler comes back or we can take on a little extra salary by snagging Varejo.
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Post by rock on Nov 28, 2011 3:25:09 GMT -5
Nick Collison's last deal was frontloaded: $13m in the first year, and then 3, 3, 2.5, and 2. If we don't have a plan for the rest of this year's cap space, and the CBA still allows it, I'd like to do something similar (but bigger) with Nene. Instead of 4 years at 9-10 mil each, start him at whatever the max is, somewhere around 16m, and then go down to 7-8 for the final 3 years -- same amount of money, but leaves more flexibility down the road. this would be awesome.
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Post by rock on Nov 28, 2011 3:27:42 GMT -5
Who would offer Nene 13-15 mill? I think he would only leave Denver if a true contender could get him, but none of them got the cap space.. I expect him back How old did Nene say he would be when he's retiring? Nene wants 5 years, just watch. He will get paid about 13-15 million a year. i wonder which team wants to pay nene 15+ million when hes 33/34 years old. cant imagine thats a smart move. i know talented big men are rare but in our position, its not worth it when we are either going to be mediocre (aka wasting a few years) or rebuilding. if nene wants to resign for a "fair" deal id be ok with that but 15 mill? nah. thats probably near a max deal with the new cba, isnt it?
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Post by Nugz Junkie on Nov 28, 2011 11:50:56 GMT -5
Nene is going to be a hot debate. What he is worth, what his value is, etc.
The bottom line is that Nene is a darn good player, and his value is sometimes overlooked as it doesn't show up on the stat sheet. So it would be a tremendous loss to lose him for nothing.
Whether he is worth 13mil starting salary is definitely up for debate. I would say that there are no other free agent big men that are as good as Nene, unrestricted anyhow. So while 12-13 starting salary seems truly steep, it is hard when you look at the landscape and see that it will be hard to find another big man as good as him.
So I guess I am glad this is Ujiri's headache and not mine! As a Nuggets fan, I want him back though.
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Post by Camby's Left Nut on Nov 28, 2011 12:46:45 GMT -5
One thing is certain for me...what happens with Nene makes a huge difference to what direction this team will and should be going. The positive thing about the situation is that with most of our free agents stuck in China, and AA being restricted...Nene should be the first shoe to drop. If he ends up leaving, that should change how we approach this "offseason" and season pretty substantially. Without Nene (or an adequate replacement, which basically means Gasol), we're not anywhere near being a contender this year.
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Post by rock on Nov 28, 2011 14:22:04 GMT -5
with nene we arent contending either. if we could even win a first round series id be all for it...we are worse than last year. and last year we got killed in round 1.
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