|
|
Post by JB on Oct 25, 2024 20:24:47 GMT -5
he had a very good playoff debut in 2019 was absolutely brilliant in 2020 and 2023 and generally bad in 2024 with moments of brilliance.
3/4
|
|
|
|
Post by Ring on Oct 25, 2024 20:28:05 GMT -5
That extending an injury prone declining player to a max contract was an idiotic move. You clown the MPJ contract at every chance but haven’t said anything about Murray’s extension. It’s like you pretend that there isn’t a scenario that that extension closed this teams window. MPJ was never good enough and will never be good enough to be a max player. you can either believe Jamal is washed at 27 or you can take a deep breathe and exercise the rational part of your brain and understand going on a championship run during your ACL recovery year gave him compounding problems physically and we need to take active measures to lessen his workload. I think there’s a greater chance that he’s washed at 27. And when I say washed I don’t mean a horrible basketball player. I mean a good one that can’t consistently elevate in the playoffs like he used to. Also the MPJ max I assume their thought process was he’d develop over time. We also don’t really know what he’d be if he didn’t get hurt after that extension. |
|
|
|
Post by wizardofcozz on Oct 25, 2024 20:43:28 GMT -5
he had a very good playoff debut in 2019 was absolutely brilliant in 2020 and 2023 and generally bad in 2024 with moments of brilliance. 3/4 He was extremely inefficient in 19' was good in 20' tore his ACL so missed 21 and 22 was great in 23' was injured Nad horrible in 24' So he's 2/6 because not being available while being paid is an issue. |
|
|
|
Post by GBG on Oct 25, 2024 20:46:32 GMT -5
He’s played one game this season, and he’s a typical slow starter. You and I know that. He scored 35 points in the elimination game and was our best player, but Jokic blew a gasket due to fatigue and we blew a 20 point second half lead. He wasn’t featured by Team Canada and was likely playing possum since he was still recovering from nagging calf and shin splints at Olympics, so had no motivation. You defended Murray countless times after slow starts to the season. You changed, he didn’t. Seek therapy. GBG you are 70 years old or so and get into message board spats constantly. You’re the one who needs therapy. Me being upset that the 2nd best player on my favorite basketball team isn’t worth the money he’s being paid and is coddled by fanboys isn’t a reason to seek therapy. Again, when he starts slow and plays great in the playoffs it can be overlooked. He was historically bad last playoffs. You lose the benefit of the doubt after stuff like that. All of the national media today said the exact same thing I’ve been saying for months now. The guy is a perimeter player that can’t move. It’s a major problem and the Nuggets extended him for no reason. You won’t live to be 70 if you don’t develop a sense of humor. Seek therapy was a jab in jest. Because you are so volatile and hyper in how you are an angry Nuggets fan. Sort of like that comic Lewis Black, whose fake persona should definitely seek therapy! |
|
|
|
Post by nuggetshipster on Oct 26, 2024 3:19:22 GMT -5
Ok Ring. lowering Murray's MPG by 2.5 minutes from last season to maximize our championship odds is "genuinely one of the most absurd things you've ever heard in your life". sure thing buddy. you spent quite literally the entire f***ing summer hysterically crying about the prospect of Jokic retiring with 1 championship, but taking measures to prevent injury to our injury prone 2nd option is the most absurd thing you've ever head. try meditation to deal with your anxiety brother. How about the player takes those precautions and shows up in shape and doesn’t play through nagging injuries because he’s “mentally tough” If Murray has another postseason where he plays historically bad I will be expecting an apology. as i say. Earn the rest. Take care of your body, play the best you can, put your team in the best position possible, then take a week off before the playoffs Him playing 29 minutes or 35 minutes now has ZERO impact. Earn your rest. Dont demand more rest because you too lazy to be in shape. |
|
|
|
Post by nuggetshipster on Oct 26, 2024 3:21:39 GMT -5
That extending an injury prone declining player to a max contract was an idiotic move. You clown the MPJ contract at every chance but haven’t said anything about Murray’s extension. It’s like you pretend that there isn’t a scenario that that extension closed this teams window. MPJ was never good enough and will never be good enough to be a max player. you can either believe Jamal is washed at 27 or you can take a deep breathe and exercise the rational part of your brain and understand going on a championship run during your ACL recovery year gave him compounding problems physically and we need to take active measures to lessen his workload. This is just a joke. MURRAY HIMSELF NEED TO TAKE MEASURES Even Jokic needs rest before the playoffs. Thats it. And Murray was healthy on 2023, this is not a result of him going on a championship run two years after tearing his ACL. That makes no sense at all. |
|
|
|
Post by scooter on Oct 26, 2024 10:58:50 GMT -5
Parallels between Murray and Embiid right now. Bad/injured playoffs, got their extensions, played in the summer for their national teams, somehow still not right to start the season. If they were injured they should've rested. And if they were healthy enough to play in the summer they should be in shape and ready to go to start the year. I don’t care about Embiid. I absolutely positively thought that Murray should not have played for the Olympic team. It wasn’t just that he was battling injuries in the playoffs; it was that he was dealing with some chronic injury problems (especially the shin splints) for long stretches of the entire season. He badly needed the 4 months of offseason to first get rest and treatment to get those injuries fully healed (maybe 6 weeks would have done the trick), and then once he was healed, he’d have maybe another 10 weeks to ramp up his conditioning work for the upcoming season. After the short 2023 offseason, it just seemed obvious to me he needed a longer offseason to get his body right. I thought he half-assed it through the Olympics to deal with the combination of his injuries/fatigue and to avoid further injury in light of his contract situation. What was the point of that? That seemed to be the worst of both worlds: still playing games when he should have been in rehab/training mode, but not playing well. What’s done is done. Hopefully, he’s healthy now and will get back to form. Right now, Malone is experimenting with moving Murray off ball and making him a floor spacer because it’s so desperately needed on the team. That’s probably OK for about 1/3 of his game minutes — mostly when he’s playing alongside Westbrook — but Murray doesn’t like it and it takes away quite a bit of what makes him so good when he’s at his best. There was definitely some negative vibes among a few of the veterans in the OKC game, and I think it’s because they are being asked to sacrifice some of their strengths as players. |
|
|
|
Post by wizardofcozz on Oct 26, 2024 11:43:50 GMT -5
Parallels between Murray and Embiid right now. Bad/injured playoffs, got their extensions, played in the summer for their national teams, somehow still not right to start the season. If they were injured they should've rested. And if they were healthy enough to play in the summer they should be in shape and ready to go to start the year. I don’t care about Embiid. I absolutely positively thought that Murray should not have played for the Olympic team. It wasn’t just that he was battling injuries in the playoffs; it was that he was dealing with some chronic injury problems (especially the shin splints) for long stretches of the entire season. He badly needed the 4 months of offseason to first get rest and treatment to get those injuries fully healed (maybe 6 weeks would have done the trick), and then once he was healed, he’d have maybe another 10 weeks to ramp up his conditioning work for the upcoming season. After the short 2023 offseason, it just seemed obvious to me he needed a longer offseason to get his body right. I thought he half-assed it through the Olympics to deal with the combination of his injuries/fatigue and to avoid further injury in light of his contract situation. What was the point of that? That seemed to be the worst of both worlds: still playing games when he should have been in rehab/training mode, but not playing well. What’s done is done. Hopefully, he’s healthy now and will get back to form. Right now, Malone is experimenting with moving Murray off ball and making him a floor spacer because it’s so desperately needed on the team. That’s probably OK for about 1/3 of his game minutes — mostly when he’s playing alongside Westbrook — but Murray doesn’t like it and it takes away quite a bit of what makes him so good when he’s at his best. There was definitely some negative vibes among a few of the veterans in the OKC game, and I think it’s because they are being asked to sacrifice some of their strengths as players. There is a way for him not to have to sacrifice that. Just don't play him with the bench. Then his minutes with Russ woukd be closer to 5-8, and he'd have Jok with him. But we are bound and determined to play an undersized bench with 2 pgs. |
|
|
|
Post by scooter on Oct 26, 2024 13:02:42 GMT -5
There is a way for him not to have to sacrifice that. Just don't play him with the bench. Then his minutes with Russ woukd be closer to 5-8, and he'd have Jok with him. But we are bound and determined to play an undersized bench with 2 pgs. You have to play Westbrook with some shooters and Murray is on the team’s short list of shooters. I actually don’t think there is anything wrong with playing Westbrook and Murray together. They are both strong guys — stronger than either Strawther or Watson — and either can guard bigger guards. In fact, I think each struggles more with quick guards than with big guards or even many SFs. As for playing Strawther at SF — right now he’s going to struggle defensively no matter what position he’s playing — he’s very inexperienced combined with being just an average athlete for this level. Gotta live with it and keep coaching him up, and it won’t matter what “position” he’s playing. The obsession with size among some on this board just seems stuck in the past to me. Teams are prioritizing court spacing and skill all over the court and that’s what the good teams have. A couple of inches difference in the height of guys’ heads makes a helluva less difference than the difference between making shots and missing shots or between being able to dribble around a defender (the Thunder were regularly burning guys closing out on them too hard) vs. not being able to dribble without turning the ball over. And with lots of threes comes lots of long rebounds and quickness to the ball and good hands becomes more important than height on those plays. Consider Scottie Barnes — in his first 2 seasons, 60-65% of his minutes were at 2/3. Now he’s starting at PF even though he handles the ball quite a bit. Good management figures this out. Jayson Tatum also starts at PF. OKC only plays multi-skilled guys at PF. The Magic had 10 players make at least one three in their win last night. For years, people argued that Anthony Davis was a PF, not a center. Now — 100% of his minutes are at center. Gotta have skill on the court. |
|
|
|
Post by wizardofcozz on Oct 27, 2024 20:17:23 GMT -5
Its not about height it's about strength and rebounding talent. You can say Murray and Russ can play together but Mirray is a defensive traffic one right now. So he's a huge reason our 2nd unit is trash. You put him out ther, and then strawther and PWat are physically weak it's a recipe for disaster.
|
|
