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Post by GBG on Mar 7, 2020 22:44:57 GMT -5
A lot of that has been playing alongside Jokic for most of his minutes, but yeah, Murray has played his best this season over the past month. Eh he's played a lot of minutes without Jokic as he's been playing a lot with the bench lately. We gotta be fair to Murray too and just call a spade a spade. He's been better than Jokic since the ASB. Murray isn't good enough to be the #1 guy on a team but if Jokic gets back to MVP form and Murray keeps playing like this...it's a pretty good duo to have. The fact that Jokic played as shitty as he did, and as careless as he did on Serbian Heritage Night...not good IMO. Uh, Jokic had a .723 TS% post-ASB going into tonight, in seven games. He’s shooting 66.3% overall, and over 88% on FTs. He’s fine. Except for tonight.
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Post by eathb on Mar 7, 2020 22:45:34 GMT -5
That Murray guy might be good. Return of the PCG lineup has to have affected this
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Post by eathb on Mar 7, 2020 22:48:31 GMT -5
I'm never knocking Jokic for coasting against s**t teams, if LeBron, AD, George, Leonard can do it, so can Jokic.
Jokic is not and will never be the problem for us becoming a contender. It's on everyone else.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2020 22:48:50 GMT -5
Eh he's played a lot of minutes without Jokic as he's been playing a lot with the bench lately. We gotta be fair to Murray too and just call a spade a spade. He's been better than Jokic since the ASB. Murray isn't good enough to be the #1 guy on a team but if Jokic gets back to MVP form and Murray keeps playing like this...it's a pretty good duo to have. The fact that Jokic played as shitty as he did, and as careless as he did on Serbian Heritage Night...not good IMO. Uh, Jokic had a .723 TS% post-ASB going into tonight, in seven games. He’s shooting 66.3% overall, and over 88% on FTs. He’s fine. Except for tonight. 16 against Detroit. 16 against GSW. 14 against Charlotte. 8 against Cleveland. He averaged 23.4 in January and 25.5 in February. March...only 4 games but 17.7. He also hasn't made a 3 this month and is shooting 56% compared to Feb where he was at 64% He hasn't been bad since the ASB but he hasn't been that dominant Jokic that I thought was going to be the norm going forward considering he slimmed down and was just destroying dudes.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2020 22:50:19 GMT -5
I'm never knocking Jokic for coasting against s**t teams, if LeBron, AD, George, Leonard can do it, so can Jokic. Jokic is not and will never be the problem for us becoming a contender. It's on everyone else. Well you see the thing is...they don't do that. Lebron just dropped 22/11/8 @ GS and then played Phoenix and had a bad shooting night and still put up 17/8/9. Jokic dropped 8/8/7. There's a big difference.
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Post by GBG on Mar 7, 2020 22:50:35 GMT -5
That Murray guy might be good. Return of the PCG lineup has to have affected this Bingo. Our 5-5 record past ten games is worst of all WC playoff teams, except Memphis. It coincides with the reinsertion of Plumlee into the backup C role, and a more consistent and prominent bench role for Craig. Those two playing together destroyed our bench production compared to while Plum was out hurt. Our starters will all have better on/off numbers with PCG gumming up our team’s non-Jokic minutes every game. Malone is blind to this too.
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Post by GBG on Mar 7, 2020 22:57:10 GMT -5
Uh, Jokic had a .723 TS% post-ASB going into tonight, in seven games. He’s shooting 66.3% overall, and over 88% on FTs. He’s fine. Except for tonight. 16 against Detroit. 16 against GSW. 14 against Charlotte. 8 against Cleveland. He averaged 23.4 in January and 25.5 in February. March...only 4 games but 17.7. He also hasn't made a 3 this month and is shooting 56% compared to Feb where he was at 64% He hasn't been bad since the ASB but he hasn't been that dominant Jokic that I thought was going to be the norm going forward considering he slimmed down and was just destroying dudes. You do realize that a 20 ppg guy like Jokic is (not 25 or 30 ppg) is gonna have games when he score 10, 14, 8 or whatever. That’s why 20 is the average. Also, you realize Jokic was forced into MVP mode due to our being shorthanded pre-ASB. Now we are fully healthy, and Jokic rightly expects others to have their turns at scoring a bunch. It doesn’t mean he’s in pussy mode. It means he’s the ultimate team player. The one point you made that is valid is his 3PT shooting has been absent. Since ASB, he’s at 22.3% on 3-balls. And taking fewer of them.
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Post by eathb on Mar 7, 2020 23:01:11 GMT -5
Tbf opposition bigs are no longer leaving Jokic on his own at the perimeter.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2020 23:03:13 GMT -5
16 against Detroit. 16 against GSW. 14 against Charlotte. 8 against Cleveland. He averaged 23.4 in January and 25.5 in February. March...only 4 games but 17.7. He also hasn't made a 3 this month and is shooting 56% compared to Feb where he was at 64% He hasn't been bad since the ASB but he hasn't been that dominant Jokic that I thought was going to be the norm going forward considering he slimmed down and was just destroying dudes. You do realize that a 20 ppg guy like Jokic is (not 25 or 30 ppg) is gonna have games when he score 10, 14, 8 or whatever. That’s why 20 is the average. Also, you realize Jokic was forced into MVP mode due to our being shorthanded pre-ASB. Now we are fully healthy, and Jokic rightly expects others to have their turns at scoring a bunch. It doesn’t mean he’s in pussy mode. It means he’s the ultimate team player. The one point you made that is valid is his 3PT shooting has been absent. Since ASB, he’s at 22.3% on 3-balls. And taking fewer of them. It's just not his point totals for me though. I don't think he should ever score under like 12-14 points but a lot more is how disengaged he seems. The frustration fouls have come back, the weird turnovers, the passing down decent looks, etc. He touches the ball all the time and is the most skilled player on the team. Jokic should always be taking 15+ shots a game. He's your best player...you want him taking the most shots. If that's the case (forced into MVP mode) and I do think there is a part of Jokic who respects those starters and doesn't want to tell them to stop shooting, give him the ball etc etc...Malone needs to do a better job. You should not be winning more games with less talent around your star. His job should be easier when surrounded by better players. If it's not, something is severely wrong. There always needs to be a pecking order and Jokic should always be #1 on that. If he's not, something needs to change. Avery Bradley doesn't get more shots than Lebron and there's a reason for that. He's nowhere near as good.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2020 23:04:18 GMT -5
Malone's post game was solid and against just like the Warriors game he doesn't seem mad, more defeated. He did point out the turnovers/defense but also pointed out he should have called a timeout on the last possession when it was clear nothing was getting set up and he criticized the offense in the 4Q but mostly blamed it on turnovers.
He legit seems mentally drained right now.
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Post by alchemist76 on Mar 7, 2020 23:13:13 GMT -5
He should do something about it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2020 23:24:35 GMT -5
He should do something about it. Gotta get Jokic back into the games. His defense since the ASB has been terrible. So many of the Cavs 3s in the first half came from putting Jokic in the PnR
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Post by eathb on Mar 7, 2020 23:27:14 GMT -5
We haven't been able to load manage Jokic in any game at all for the last two seasons. Ridiculous
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2020 23:30:27 GMT -5
Plumlee played in 4 lineups tonight.
Morris-Barton-MPJ-Grant-Plumlee 86.7 Offense. 80 Defense.
Morris-Murray-Craig-Grant-Plumlee 118.2 Offense. 100 Defense. This was the lineup where the Nuggets found Morris for a wide open 3 off a missed shot and the lineup where Murray hit that 30+ foot 3 at the end of the buzzer.
Morris-Murray-MPJ-Grant-Plumlee 50 Offense. 87.5 Defense.
Barton-Harris-MPJ-Millsap-Plumlee. Played for 1 minute and didn't score.
You take away those 2 lucky 3s to end the 1st quarter and it's looking like it's very, very difficult to score when Plumlee is on the floor.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2020 23:31:06 GMT -5
We haven't been able to load manage Jokic in any game at all for the last two seasons. Ridiculous He's load managing himself and he's 24 years old. He's fine. Players aren't pussies besides Kawhi.
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Post by Dunkman on Mar 7, 2020 23:39:08 GMT -5
We're 6th in the west in net rating and that feels about right. From what I've seen this season we're just not that good. Much of our success has been from playing harder than our opponents. Just kinda hoping we get out of this funk and have one more good run before we get quickly dismissed in the playoffs.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2020 23:41:10 GMT -5
Over the last 5 games in terms of 3 man combinations Mason Plumlee is a net positive in 1 of 13 lineups that play more than 5 minutes combined in these last 5 games.
The only positive combo is Murray/Grant/Plumlee which is +0.3
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Post by jimijam28 on Mar 8, 2020 0:31:44 GMT -5
In before the Jinxjam! Gooooo Nuggets!
Can we ban this fool
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Post by game on Mar 8, 2020 0:55:33 GMT -5
Sucks for Mike Malone he doesn't have 16 Mason Plumlees. Only 1. Could lose these games 165-43, but play hard doing it.
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Post by hated sticky on Mar 8, 2020 2:29:03 GMT -5
Jesus man can’t leave you guys alone and do a game thread...
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