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Post by inyourmind on Jan 28, 2019 17:20:46 GMT -5
"If Murray never becomes the 25/5/5 type player"? I am willing to bet 1000 euros with you IYM right now that he will have that stat line next season if we have starting PF that is a legit stretch 4. Also another 1000 that he will be All-star next season. I mean nobody's been higher on Murray than me. I spent the first chunk of the season going back and forth with a ton of people about his game. I was pumping his tires in the draft thread when he was at Kentucky months before we even drafted him. I'm as high as any on Murray. I think he has star potential. It's not a lock he becomes that kinda player tho. Nothing is ever a given in a league like the NBA. Losing Murray would suck. It's why I won't be upset if we don't go all in on Davis. I just hope he goes to the Eastern Conference.
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Post by nuggetshipster on Jan 28, 2019 17:22:50 GMT -5
Murray/Beasley > Kuzma/Ingram No discussion IMO. But you are entitled to your opinion. To each his own, but I think the Lakers package would be more valuable. That could certainly change but Beasley's only been doing it for 48 games. I think teams would value Murray higher than Kuzma, but Ingram alot higher than Beasley. you think teams value Murray more than Kuz? What is this? I know you know The goal is to get stars. Neither Kuz or Ingram are stars
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Post by odvala on Jan 28, 2019 17:26:50 GMT -5
The NBA needs to change to the Bird rights rule. There should be an amendment to the rule that states the supermax is available to qualifying players, but is nullified if the player requests a trade prior to receiving an extension. That way there those supermax players can still request trades, but have to understand they have to sacrifice 50 million dollars to do so. Something to give smaller markets a chance.
Edit: I am so pissed at the bourgeoisie that if i am a Pelicans owner i would trade AD to GSW for Donkeyface + few picks and send the message to the NBA that "If i cant have a chance to win, nobody will win" ...Beauty of the NBA all these years was that everyone has a legit chance to win if you draft good, now is heading in the direction of Euroleague that you only need to be rich and famous to win...
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Post by nuggetshipster on Jan 28, 2019 17:32:34 GMT -5
Bet TCs phone has been blowing up the last day
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Post by JB on Jan 28, 2019 17:32:43 GMT -5
I'm guessing the Pels would want MPJ, Vanderbilt, Murray, Sap's expiring and at least one unprotected pick.
that's better than what the Lakers can offer. I love Davis, unlike Blake he's as good as the numbers suggest but I'm standing firm on trading Murray. they can have Harris instead (with Jrue coming with AD). I'm selling them hard on MPJ, unlike that Wiz Khalifa impostor in LA, Porter Jr. actually has the potential to be the next Durant.
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Post by inyourmind on Jan 28, 2019 17:32:48 GMT -5
To each his own, but I think the Lakers package would be more valuable. That could certainly change but Beasley's only been doing it for 48 games. I think teams would value Murray higher than Kuzma, but Ingram alot higher than Beasley. you think teams value Murray more than Kuz? What is this? I know you know The goal is to get stars. Neither Kuz or Ingram are stars I agree about the stars part, which is why I think Murray's such a huge selling point. His shot creation would have tons going nuts and why I think our FO has been so high on him. Kuz/Ingram might not be stars currently, and I hate the Lakers as much as anybody, but there putting up good numbers. Ingram is still really young and he has that length/size teams usually drool over. Ingram's only 21 averaging like 17/5/3. No 3 point shot so efficiency is hurting but I'd bet there's quite a few teams that project his 3 point to be much improved in a couple seasons. Hope your right tho lol would certainly be awesome for the Nuggets. I wonder if TC is ever engaging about Davis tho, wouldn't be shocked if the Nuggets are content with where were at right now.
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Post by inyourmind on Jan 28, 2019 17:37:08 GMT -5
I think the better question right now is would you part with players for a 1 and a half year rental hoping to convince Davis to re-up?
If NOLA wanted to stick it too LeBron's camp/L.A would you do like Murray/Beasley for Davis knowing he hasn't committed to staying and you could convince him to re-up next year? I personally wouldn't with Murray I don't think. A season and a half is a long time tho. You make a run this year or next and maybe you can pull an OKC and keep him like they did with George.
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Post by JB on Jan 28, 2019 17:40:01 GMT -5
I think the better question right now is would you part with players for a 1 and a half year rental hoping to convince Davis to re-up? If NOLA wanted to stick it too LeBron's camp/L.A would you do like Murray/Beasley for Davis knowing he hasn't committed to staying and you could convince him to re-up next year? I personally wouldn't with Murray I don't think. A season and a half is a long time tho. You make a run this year or next and maybe you can pull an OKC and keep him like they did with George. I would absolutely pull the trigger without assurances but I wouldn't trade Murray to begin with. don't underestimate the Joker factor in convincing players to stay.
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Post by nuggetshipster on Jan 28, 2019 17:40:58 GMT -5
We have amazing dudes like Jokic, Monte, Barton, Harris and Juancho. We would beat GSW. And we could offer him waay more money.
He'd stay
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Post by altitudesickness on Jan 28, 2019 17:47:27 GMT -5
I know the rational thing to do is trade for AD but I really dont want to break this core up
im torn
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2019 17:52:07 GMT -5
I know the rational thing to do is trade for AD but I really dont want to break this core up im torn This is where I'm at too. It would be bittersweet but it would definitely make our team better. Jokic/AD would be unstoppable.
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Post by odvala on Jan 28, 2019 17:53:14 GMT -5
I just found out that Gayle Benson owns the Saints and Pelicans. The refs cheated for an LA team. The more i think about the whole thing more realistic destination for AD will be Celtics i think. They will ship him to the east, probably bench him for the rest of the season to tank...
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Post by altitudesickness on Jan 28, 2019 17:57:37 GMT -5
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Post by Tymes Rhymes on Jan 28, 2019 17:59:38 GMT -5
If you're TC and AK, you have to at least make an offer on a player like Davis. I trust our FO to not get completely cleaned in a Davis deal because they put together this current squad when most of us had doubts when we acquired just about everyone on the current roster including Jokic.
If you want to make a run, you can do that with Davis and Jokic as your two star pieces and as has been mentioned plenty of times, Davis is still only 25 years old.
That being said, I'm glad the extent of my GM prowess is limited to NBA 2K. I do not envy TC and AK.
I don't think a Davis deal is needed but it could do wonders for Denver's overall appeal.
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Post by rock on Jan 28, 2019 18:04:26 GMT -5
Let's say we traded Murray/Harris/Millsap for Davis/salary filler. IMO that's the best offer they can get right now with the Celtics not being able to buy in. Even than I think Murray/Harris compete with the Celtics offer. It's better than L.A's offer too IMO. Monte Morris/Barton can play back up point till I.T gets healthy. Barton/Beasley Craig/E.Moore/Hernangomez Davis/Lyles/Hernangomez Jokic/Plumlee Like am I crazy or is that not still a really deep roster? Toss in the fact that you still have MPJ/Vanderbilt/and I.T when he comes back. Davis is still 25 so it's not like you can't make other moves down the line. Maybe we can get a rotation player NOLA wants to dump back as well. E.Moore is turning 30 and making 8ish mill a year so a good deal and he's having back to back good seasons so maybe we eat Solomon Hill's shitty contract to get him added. If we can get an extension I’d definitely consider this.
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Post by BBBbbb on Jan 28, 2019 18:06:23 GMT -5
The fact AD is only 25 is irrelevant, you’re getting him for two playoff runs and that is it. Don’t put hopes into - oh he’s gonna like it here and stuff like that, just what’s on paper, and that is it. I like our team and pretty sure NOP would clean us good in any deal they find acceptable. Leave this one to the others.
I have my worries with AD in the long run. Although never missing long periods, he constantly has some injury issues, and the way he puts stress on his joints (ankles and knees) when changing direction or landing, is just scary to see.
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Post by JB on Jan 28, 2019 18:11:49 GMT -5
The fact AD is only 25 is irrelevant, you’re getting him for two playoff runs and that is it. Don’t put hopes into - oh he’s gonna like it here and stuff like that, just what’s on paper, and that is it. I like our team and pretty sure NOP would clean us good in any deal they find acceptable. Leave this one to the others. I have my worries with AD in the long run. Although never missing long periods, he constantly has some injury issues, and the way he puts stress on his joints (ankles and knees) when changing direction or landing, is just scary to see. remember when PG was a lock to sign the Lakers? he didn't even give them a meeting. I know we don't have the glamour appeal of freaking Oklahoma City, but if it's a good situation, a star player will at least consider staying.
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Post by duh88 on Jan 28, 2019 18:16:35 GMT -5
NO NO NO NO TO ANT DAVIS.
REASONS: - he's gone after next year - he can't shoot a 3 (which basically makes him a more athletic Nurk next to Jokic) - he can't play jokic-ball - he's injured 50% of the season - he doesn't guarantee victory against GS - honestly, he's not a winner
The current core has a better shot against GS. More importanly - when GS's window closes in a year or two, our current core is an EXCELLENT position to take over. Davis leaves after one year and we lose all of those assets.
JUST SAY NO!
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Post by duh88 on Jan 28, 2019 18:17:57 GMT -5
Also - per my sources -
Lakers are offering Lonzo, Ingram, Kuzma and 2 firsts - Lebron is pushing hard for it.
Lebron also looks terrible in workouts and scrimmages - he is not going to be a 100% the rest of this season.
There is concern here in LA, as well, that NOLA wants to stick it to the Lakers and may just take the best that Dolan offers from NY (which will be substantial - at least 3 firsts, and potentially, Porz).
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Post by BBBbbb on Jan 28, 2019 18:28:39 GMT -5
Point is - you cannot count on AD resigning here especially with clear signs (a lot stronger ones then with PG) that he want to go to LA. LBJ is the one pulling all the strings of this manager/media circus about AD. I do think PG’s decision was affected by LBJ going to LA. Not sure how much he likes him or how willing he was to be in his shadow.
But regardless, you can only count on what you’re getting with the trade, not what may or may not happen. Who knows maybe MPJ becomes an unstoppable force and we end up being big losers. I’d call the chances for that and AD resigning here - even
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