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Post by hated sticky on Apr 15, 2019 10:09:17 GMT -5
The only alternate opinion that I can debate would be Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. Kareem Abdul-Plumlee > Jabbar
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2019 14:18:37 GMT -5
Hilarious ! How did you come up with all that non-sense ?? What is nonsense? 80s/90s defense has this whole idea behind it that it was impossible to score and everyone were lockdown defenders. This simply isn't true. More than half of the league were guys who were super unathletic. It's much easier to guard a 80s/90s offense than it is to guard a modern offense too. You had very little off ball movement/action and guys lived in the post/mid-range. Hand-checking is the only fair debate when talking about defenses back then being tough. Free throw rate was higher back then as well.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2019 15:40:31 GMT -5
Hilarious ! How did you come up with all that non-sense ?? What is nonsense? 80s/90s defense has this whole idea behind it that it was impossible to score and everyone were lockdown defenders. This simply isn't true. More than half of the league were guys who were super unathletic. It's much easier to guard a 80s/90s offense than it is to guard a modern offense too. You had very little off ball movement/action and guys lived in the post/mid-range. Hand-checking is the only fair debate when talking about defenses back then being tough. Free throw rate was higher back then as well. The bold is a statement that doesn't carry much weight because it's overly opinionated and made up. I'd more comfortably speculate the NBA, at any point in its history, has been comprised of impressive athletes.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2019 16:11:15 GMT -5
What is nonsense? 80s/90s defense has this whole idea behind it that it was impossible to score and everyone were lockdown defenders. This simply isn't true. More than half of the league were guys who were super unathletic. It's much easier to guard a 80s/90s offense than it is to guard a modern offense too. You had very little off ball movement/action and guys lived in the post/mid-range. Hand-checking is the only fair debate when talking about defenses back then being tough. Free throw rate was higher back then as well. The bold is a statement that doesn't carry much weight because it's overly opinionated and made up. I'd more comfortably speculate the NBA, at any point in its history, has been comprised of impressive athletes. The level of athlete back then just isn't comparable to the level of athlete now. It's not even close. Jordan was one of the rare players back then who was a super athlete and was able to use that to his advantage. He had a MAJOR athleticism advantage over basically the entire league. And of course it's an opinion lol. Pretty much every stat points to Lebron except for rings. RPG, APG, BPG, (same in playoffs), efficiency from 2, efficiency from 3, etc. The 2 biggest things people bring up is rings/6-0 which is entirely fair/valid and "he was a killer/assassin" which is one of the most overrated things in all of sports...just as we saw with Jamal Murray at the end of Game 1 lol Either way lets dead the GOAT argument and move onto more relevant things like the Nuggets being down 0-1 in their first playoff series in 6 years
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Post by game on Apr 15, 2019 16:49:10 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2019 16:52:00 GMT -5
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Post by nuggetshipster on Apr 15, 2019 17:32:53 GMT -5
Jordan is 6/6 in the finals and would have 8peated in a very strong era if it wasnt for f***ing baseball
Jordan is GOAT now but Curry will be when he is done. Man changed the game and no one IMO has been close to him impact. Look at GSW record without him.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2019 18:23:43 GMT -5
Jordan is 6/6 in the finals and would have 8peated in a very strong era if it wasnt for f***ing baseball Jordan is GOAT now but Curry will be when he is done. Man changed the game and no one IMO has been close to him impact. Look at GSW record without him. I really wish he didn't play baseball man. Those Bulls/Rockets series would have been so damn awesome. I don't think he would have 8-peated though. That would have been basically impossible. I actually think the break from basketball was good for his overall long-term game/achievements. Lets slow down a bit on Steph though. He doesn't have a Finals MVP yet. I'd say it's between him and Giannis for best player in the world right now though. Stephs impact is unmeasured. Dude changed the game and we're going to continue to see that for the next 20+ years. If the NBA adds a 4 point line though...he'll have changed it for worse lol
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Post by nuggetshipster on Apr 15, 2019 18:51:44 GMT -5
Giannis doesn't have close to Steph impact imo
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2019 18:53:47 GMT -5
Giannis doesn't have close to Steph impact imo His impact defensively is huge and he opens up a lot on offense for his teammates. Dude is basically unstoppable going to the hoop. Steph has a bigger impact offensively but he's basically a non-factor defensively. They hide him for a reason.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2019 0:38:45 GMT -5
This Clippers comeback is an all timer. I still can't believe what I just saw.
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Post by hated sticky on Apr 16, 2019 1:41:16 GMT -5
What happened?
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Post by Camby's Left Nut on Apr 16, 2019 1:42:33 GMT -5
Down 31 points midway through the third quarter....and then Lou Williams.
Also, Cousins tore his quad.
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Post by AbdulJabber on Apr 16, 2019 1:45:07 GMT -5
Crazy. Wish I would've seen it.
Not the quad tear, but the Clippers win.
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Post by hated sticky on Apr 16, 2019 1:59:36 GMT -5
f**k ME!! FINALS BABY!!!
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Post by flo on Apr 16, 2019 3:37:41 GMT -5
The bold is a statement that doesn't carry much weight because it's overly opinionated and made up. I'd more comfortably speculate the NBA, at any point in its history, has been comprised of impressive athletes. The level of athlete back then just isn't comparable to the level of athlete now. It's not even close. Jordan was one of the rare players back then who was a super athlete and was able to use that to his advantage. He had a MAJOR athleticism advantage over basically the entire league. And of course it's an opinion lol. Pretty much every stat points to Lebron except for rings. RPG, APG, BPG, (same in playoffs), efficiency from 2, efficiency from 3, etc. The 2 biggest things people bring up is rings/6-0 which is entirely fair/valid and "he was a killer/assassin" which is one of the most overrated things in all of sports...just as we saw with Jamal Murray at the end of Game 1 lol Either way lets dead the GOAT argument and move onto more relevant things like the Nuggets being down 0-1 in their first playoff series in 6 years Were you grown up during the 90S and witnessed Jordan's era ? Or have you just learned the "why is Lebron the GOAT for dummies" memo ? To argue that Jordan dominated because he "had a MAJOR athleticism advantage over basically the entire league" when you try to plead for Lebron as the GOAT is just laughable. The biggest freak is Lebron, I can't see how there could be a debate on that. At least Jordan had a clean technique, sharpened in UCLA. Lebron for years had flaws of a high-school baller. You argue that Jordan didn't have to face a team like the Warriors but who initiated the superteams era ? Lebron did in Miami, and that's maybe the biggest change he brought to the NBA. Thanks for that. And what competition did Lebron have in the East ? Not much, he was pretty easy to go lose a final each year. The East in the 90s was something else.
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Post by nuggetshipster on Apr 16, 2019 4:01:30 GMT -5
But Willians, Gallo and Harrell is the worst core ever
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Post by duh88 on Apr 16, 2019 6:24:27 GMT -5
Jordan is 6/6 in the finals and would have 8peated in a very strong era if it wasnt for f***ing baseball Jordan is GOAT now but Curry will be when he is done. Man changed the game and no one IMO has been close to him impact. Look at GSW record without him. No - Shaq stopped Jordan in the ECF one year. Many forget this. The bulls had to do a deal with the devil and sign the one player who could stop shaq: Rodman. Without Rodman, Jordan doesn’t win those last 3. Still - I credit Jordan for providing the leadership that kept Rodman stable and brought out his best - that takes massive emotional stamina (I know this from watching my wife, who keeps me in line, as I have massive addiction issues). Jordan had multiple talents, including leadership - but he needed Rodman’s athleticism to shut down Shaq.
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Post by JB on Apr 16, 2019 7:03:25 GMT -5
it takes courage and self-awareness to admit you're the Dennis Rodman of your relationship lol.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2019 7:30:53 GMT -5
it takes courage and self-awareness to admit you're the Dennis Rodman of your relationship lol. Haha... right? I'll give Rodman and Pippen credit, all these decades later they both promote Jordan as the man and reason why the Bulls dominated; they embraced their roles and still do today.
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