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Post by Camby's Left Nut on Jul 17, 2012 8:44:42 GMT -5
He'll be 25 next season and in his 5th year tho. What if this is the finished product? He's actually came along way since he was drafted. He has? I don't think he has developed much at all since he was drafted. His 4 years in Washington were a huge waste and all he developed were bad habits. He did grow a lot while with us, especially for only being here two months. That is encouraging too, because it shows it wasn't so much him not wanting to learn and grow, but him not being in the right place and situation to do it. Even if he is never able to develop a consistent offensive game, I think at the very least his defensive and rebounding instincts will improve quite a bit as he gets older. That in itself will make him at least as good as Camby was, and for 10 mill a year, that's not a bad floor to have. |
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Post by inyourmind on Jul 17, 2012 9:57:32 GMT -5
He'll be 25 next season and in his 5th year tho. What if this is the finished product? He's actually came along way since he was drafted. He has? I don't think he has developed much at all since he was drafted. His 4 years in Washington were a huge waste and all he developed were bad habits. He did grow a lot while with us, especially for only being here two months. That is encouraging too, because it shows it wasn't so much him not wanting to learn and grow, but him not being in the right place and situation to do it. Even if he is never able to develop a consistent offensive game, I think at the very least his defensive and rebounding instincts will improve quite a bit as he gets older. That in itself will make him at least as good as Camby was, and for 10 mill a year, that's not a bad floor to have. McGee can actually do a few offensive moves. He has that sweeping hook. His problem? Doesn't know the correct time to use it, it's inconsistent, can do it out of control etc. McGee wasn't even on the radar his freshmen year. Broke into a starter after two years. I don't think he had that type of offense at 22 like he does now. I guess I don't believe instincts improve quite a bit over time is a given. I'm sure people said the same of J.R when he was 24. McGee is a stupid basketball player. Denver can mask it somewhat and improve it .. but chances are McGee will always goaltend the ball similar to how J.R will always chuck 3's. I think people are overreacting to his time hear. He played like 6 minutes less a game and was held on a leash compared to the Wiz. They killed his development with stupid players but let's not forget if you ask Wizard fans who was the biggest dumby they'd probably say Blatche or McGee. Wiz were 9-31 when McGee was on the team. 9-15 since he was trading. All I hear is how they got better after losing him. Next year if he starts and plays 30 minutes a night how will he look? Can he even played 30 minutes a night? Dude has awful conditioning. How will his athsma react in Denver? I do agree with paying him. Denver needs to get better or stay the same. With the way their building keeps assests or turning them into something is key. He's a big man and they get overpaid. Just think it could end up being really ugly down the line. |
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Post by etirevned on Jul 18, 2012 9:36:21 GMT -5
Yeah but you figure, they were able to pull off a deal with mediocre Nene who has a career history of mediocrity and inconsistency right after signing him to a bloated contract. If McGee doesn't work out in the next two years or so, he shouldn't be difficult at all for us to move.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2012 14:13:49 GMT -5
If McGee doesn't work out in the next two years or so, he shouldn't be difficult at all for us to move. hope ur joking. one guy has always had that "borderline all-star", "underrated", "team player" tag. the other guy is a 7 foot retard. no matter how u slice it, if mcgee "doesnt work out", no f***ing way will it be easy to flip him. theres a huge risk to giving mcgee a boat load of money. frankly, id go with the QO. |
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Post by LotharBraunBrownBryant on Jul 18, 2012 14:26:06 GMT -5
QO is a stupid idea IMO. Puts this same decision in front of the team a year down the line, only with less leverage since we can't threaten to match other team's "we sold this guy on 8 mil a year" offers.
If you're worried about trading him long term, frontload the deal so there's less guaranteed money in years 4-5. Maybe it'd be hard to move JaVale if he's making 11-12 mil in the last 2 years of his contract, but if he's making 9-8 and he's still 7 feet tall, he's that much easier to get some other team to say "sure, we need a big body who can block shots".
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2012 14:38:38 GMT -5
u want to front load him now? werent u trying to do that with 3 other dudes last year? will there be money to go around next year if that happens? we still have to pay lawson.
and why would he sign for $8 million next year? highly doubt his value will all of a sudden change around the league and everybody covets him. and then he goes for cheaper?
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Post by LotharBraunBrownBryant on Jul 18, 2012 16:32:58 GMT -5
u want to front load him now? werent u trying to do that with 3 other dudes last year? Yep. It's financially sound to minimize future risk. We should have lots of space under the tax line for Ty, so there's little downside. The upside is better flexibility in 2-3 years either below the tax line or with trades. He might sign this year for 8m if some team made a great pitch, but they won't because we'd just match. Next season, we lose that trump card. Why should we let that leverage disappear? |
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Post by patrol345 on Jul 18, 2012 17:46:08 GMT -5
Portland matched batums offer so we can mark them off the list for a possible team to offer anymore than like 9 million.
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Post by LotharBraunBrownBryant on Jul 18, 2012 18:00:33 GMT -5
so now the question is, will the Wolves give us something for Chandler?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2012 18:07:03 GMT -5
u want to front load him now? werent u trying to do that with 3 other dudes last year? Yep. It's financially sound to minimize future risk. We should have lots of space under the tax line for Ty, so there's little downside. The upside is better flexibility in 2-3 years either below the tax line or with trades. He might sign this year for 8m if some team made a great pitch, but they won't because we'd just match. Next season, we lose that trump card. Why should we let that leverage disappear? why should we outbid ourselves? if he *could* command 8 million, why offer 10? i agree, $8 mill is fine. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2012 18:08:35 GMT -5
so now the question is, will the Wolves give us something for Chandler? or any one of our wings really. |
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Post by Camby's Left Nut on Jul 18, 2012 18:21:00 GMT -5
I'm sure they would, but they don't have a ton to offer. Pretty much just Luke Ridnour, JJ Barera, Wes Johnson, and Derrick Williams. We have no need for JJ or RIdnour, and I highly doubt they'd move Williams for Chandler. Wes Johnson is a possibility, but he sucks so we'd need more incentive. Either a draft pick and/or them taking back Harrington.
I'd do Chandler + Harrington for Johnson + 1st round pick
Would save like 6-7 mill this season, plus a ton of long term salary(Johnson is expiring). Would also open up a roster spot to keep Miller, along with playing time for Hamilton and Randolph. And the pick would be in the 10-20 range.
Not great value overall, but I think there are enough positives there, especially considering the increased flexibility for next summer after Lawson's extension. If I'm not mistaken, we'd still be left with about 10 mill in cap space, and that's with Lawson/Afflalo/Gallo/McGee making their big money.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2012 18:30:44 GMT -5
no way they do that. prolly need to find a 3rd team that might want minny's s**t.
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Post by Camby's Left Nut on Jul 18, 2012 18:34:38 GMT -5
They just offered multiple first rounders and Derrick Williams for Batum, on top of 50 mill. Batum is better than Chandler, for sure....but he's still Nicolas Batum. Clearly they're pretty desperate for a productive wing player.
Johnson holds no value and a mid first isn't much. They'd do it.
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Post by inyourmind on Jul 18, 2012 20:17:12 GMT -5
Also is it just me or does no other team really care about McGee? Spare me they know we'll match routine. Teams have gone after Lin, Asik, Hibbert, Batum when most people knew other teams would probably match.
Seriously, Denver seems like the only team that wants him. I've heard notta, not even other fans rumbling about wanting their teams to go after him. If he doesn't want 8-9 mill guaranteed from give him that QO.
Every year he gets older his value drops. Only way we get screwed is if he ends up breaking out. Even than if he breaks out hear he'll probably be more likely to come back. If he doesn't break out and is the same ol McGee than maybe we'll get him back for a better price.
Denvers been pretty quiet so far.
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Post by DHNF on Jul 18, 2012 21:53:21 GMT -5
Nuggets re-sign free agent JaVale McGee
The 24-year-old center returns to Denver with a multiyear deal
DENVER, July 18, 2012 – The Denver Nuggets have re-signed free agent center JaVale McGee to a multiyear contract, Executive Vice President of Basketball Operations Masai Ujiri announced today.
McGee, 7-0, 252, averaged 11.3 points, 7.8 rebounds and 2.16 blocked shots in 61 games (45 starts) with the Nuggets and Wizards in 2011-12. He was acquired from the Washington Wizards as part of a three-team trade on March 15.
“JaVale did a tremendous job for us after the trade,” Ujiri said. “He worked hard on the court and did everything our coaches asked of him. Plus, he’s only 24 years old. With our coaching staff, he’s only going to get better.”
Originally selected 18th overall by the Wizards in the 2008 NBA Draft, McGee averaged 7.8 points and 5.5 rebounds in his first three seasons. After becoming a full-time starter in 2010-11, he averaged career-highs in points (10.1) and rebounds (8.0) and led the NBA with 2.44 blocks per game.
Anchoring the middle for Washington, McGee was on pace to set new personal standards in 2011-12 before being traded to Denver. With the Nuggets, he became an important part of the team’s second unit and helped Denver secure the No. 6 seed in the Western Conference.
McGee made his first career playoff appearance with the Nuggets, averaging 8.6 points, 9.6 rebounds and 3.14 blocks in seven games off the bench.
McGee was particularly impressive in Games 3 and 5 against the Los Angeles Lakers. In Game 3, he scored 16 points and grabbed 15 rebounds in a 99-84 victory at Pepsi Center. Four days later, he scored 21 points and added 14 rebounds to help Denver avoid elimination at Staples Center.
McGee also blocked at least three shots in four of seven postseason games.
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Post by patrol345 on Jul 18, 2012 22:07:13 GMT -5
4 years 44 million reported by spears. Seems a little steep but at least its not the max.
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Post by ThePoopSmith on Jul 18, 2012 22:07:49 GMT -5
4 years 44 million is what it looks like...
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Post by Dunkman on Jul 18, 2012 22:12:31 GMT -5
Yeah 4/44 seems pretty bad when we were bidding against ourselves. I hope there are plenty of incentives to get it to 44.
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Post by jimijam28 on Jul 18, 2012 22:18:01 GMT -5
thats a trbl deal if its 4/44
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