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Post by Camby's Left Nut on Mar 17, 2012 4:45:55 GMT -5
One thing is for sure, he's a unique physical specimen. He's taller and longer than Dwight, and nearly as built. And he has the athleticism to close out on a jump shooter and actually block their shot well after they've released the ball. Pretty crazy.
What is interesting to me was that coming out of college he was actually compared to guys like Channing Frye and Patrick O'Bryant, who were more known as offensive players of the jump shooting variety. Which makes some sense, as in his college career he shot 36% (16/45) from three. Obviously he shouldn't actually be taking threes in the NBA, but there has to be at least some capability there to knock down some 12-17 foot jumpers. Both Camby and Nene seemed to slowly develop a somewhat reliable jumper after a few years with us, so maybe that could be the case with McGee. I definitely don't think he'll ever be able to develop a real back to the basket game though. He just doesn't seem to have the coordination or lateral quickness to be effective in that regard.
The more I think about it, I think the best case is he ends up being a rich man's Camby. Similar type of player, but again more physically gifted and way less injury prone. Worst case he's a rich man's Bird. Could definitely be a decent long term solution at center, but we're still going to need to find a true offensive, post up type of PF at some point(hopefully by trading Chandler/Harrington). If we can do that, having Faried/Mozgov/Koufos to back them up would create one hell of a front court. Lawson/Afflalo/Gallo, along with Hamilton and Brewer off the bench, provide a great combination of shooting, penetration, and defense from the wings. Then we'd just need to find a decent backup PG.
Lawson/Backup PG Afflalo/Hamilton Gallinari/Brewer Stud PF/Faried McGee/Mozgov/Koufos
I bet we could probably get Millsap or Jefferson from the Jazz for a package built around Chandler and picks, since they're looking to clear way for Kanter and Favors.
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Post by denbutsu on Mar 17, 2012 5:11:43 GMT -5
BTW, has Nene made any public comments yet? I haven't seen any.
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Post by denbutsu on Mar 17, 2012 5:23:53 GMT -5
One thing is for sure, he's a unique physical specimen. He's taller and longer than Dwight, and nearly as built. And he has the athleticism to close out on a jump shooter and actually block their shot well after they've released the ball. Pretty crazy. What is interesting to me was that coming out of college he was actually compared to guys like Channing Frye and Patrick O'Bryant, who were more known as offensive players of the jump shooting variety. Which makes some sense, as in his college career he shot 36% (16/45) from three. Obviously he shouldn't actually be taking threes in the NBA, but there has to be at least some capability there to knock down some 12-17 foot jumpers. Both Camby and Nene seemed to slowly develop a somewhat reliable jumper after a few years with us, so maybe that could be the case with McGee. I definitely don't think he'll ever be able to develop a real back to the basket game though. He just doesn't seem to have the coordination or lateral quickness to be effective in that regard. The more I think about it, I think the best case is he ends up being a rich man's Camby. Similar type of player, but again more physically gifted and way less injury prone. Worst case he's a rich man's Bird. Could definitely be a decent long term solution at center, but we're still going to need to find a true offensive, post up type of PF at some point(hopefully by trading Chandler/Harrington). If we can do that, having Faried/Mozgov/Koufos to back them up would create one hell of a front court. Lawson/Afflalo/Gallo, along with Hamilton and Brewer off the bench, provide a great combination of shooting, penetration, and defense from the wings. Then we'd just need to find a decent backup PG. Lawson/Backup PG Afflalo/Hamilton Gallinari/Brewer Stud PF/Faried McGee/Mozgov/Koufos I bet we could probably get Millsap or Jefferson from the Jazz for a package built around Chandler and picks, since they're looking to clear way for Kanter and Favors. In that scenario, a big lurking question mark to me is what does Hamilton turn into. I like most of what I've seen in the little time he's gotten to play, but whoever backs up Afflalo has really got to be, imo, not only a consistent shooter, but one who can create his own shots. That could also depend on who the backup point is, I suppose. But neither AAA or Brewer if he slides over is really that guy. And a Moz/Faried/Brewer bench is going to need to be accompanied by some heavier artillery. Not that they send in the entire bench at once, but I think we need a guy or two coming off it who can do what Al has (pretty well) done this season. If Ham's that guy, all the better, but since he hasn't gotten much burn, it's hard to know how much he'll be able to contribute.
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Post by NoSleep on Mar 17, 2012 7:20:57 GMT -5
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Post by AbdulJabber on Mar 17, 2012 7:31:05 GMT -5
if mcgee plays well enough for the nuggs to resign him, moz should probably be traded. We've got kk on a great contract and he's good off the bench. kk and manimal are a good combo and both can start if need be. What you're missing is a big that can score and I'd rather it be someone with at least consistent range out to 18 feet if he's playing along side guys like mcgee and manimal.
What I'll be watching for with mcgee is consistency. If he brings it on a regular basis and truly can be relied upon to protect the rim, that could turn around the nuggets terrible perimeter defense. The last playoff caliber defense the nuggets had was with mutombo and phonz protecting the paint. It enabled the defense to close out hard on shooters and funnel things into the paint. The teeth of the defense. I'd like to see the nuggets try to get back to that and hold some teams below their season averages.
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Post by ChuckTaylor on Mar 17, 2012 8:54:24 GMT -5
Nuggs keep getting longer and more athletic and have the financial flexibility to continue to buy and sell on the open market. They also have the depth to remove any one piece and have someone behind them who can fill the gap. There is still a lot of change in their future but they're putting a decent product on the floor in the meantime. No use over thinking any one trade because it is part of a bigger overall strategy that they seem to adhere to and execute well. Only time will tell if it is a winning play but I like that it is coherent and consistent.
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Post by Nugz Junkie on Mar 17, 2012 11:00:43 GMT -5
An interesting side note to this trade...McGee is obviously a Center. We were grooming both Mozgov and Koufos to be the Centers of our future. Interesting that now we have 3 7 foot centers on our roster, all with potential. I don't think this trade was any kind of message towards Mozzie and K2, but it is interesting nontheless. We could really trot out a huge lineup if Karl chose to.
One thing I am noticing with Masai, he loves him some tall lengthy players. Which is probably good, as he is the anti-Karl in that regard. The only truly maybe undersized guy Denver has is Ty. I really like this strategy. Fitting athletic big players together can never be a bad thing.
I agree with CLN, at some point we will need a post up threat on this team to be truly balanced. But in the meantime, we can win a lot of games if this team plays the way Karl wants them too - with defense and hustle and playing fast.
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Post by GoldNugg21 on Mar 17, 2012 11:12:33 GMT -5
No, we won't win if we do anything Karl's way. He's the devil.
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Post by Nugz Junkie on Mar 17, 2012 11:19:13 GMT -5
Being able to accept your mistakes is a trait not many people have. While I agree about your statement, I don't think it applies here. I honestly think Nene was signed for the sole purpose of being traded. So that was a stategic move, not an admitting mistake move. They could not get an S&T done then, but almost immediately began shopping him. It would have been nice to get DeMarcus Cousins, but McGee has some talent. I truly love the way Masai thinks.
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Post by LotharBraunBrownBryant on Mar 17, 2012 11:37:19 GMT -5
An interesting side note to this trade...McGee is obviously a Center. We were grooming both Mozgov and Koufos to be the Centers of our future. Interesting that now we have 3 7 foot centers on our roster, all with potential. I don't think this trade was any kind of message towards Mozzie and K2, but it is interesting nontheless. We could really trot out a huge lineup if Karl chose to. In the past, GK has spoken of how he doesn't think in terms of five positions, just three. Points, wings, and bigs. That's a bad thing when he decides KMart and Malik Allen are his "bigs", but I don't have a problem with it when he runs, say, Koufos and Moz together.
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Post by Coltrane on Mar 17, 2012 14:19:15 GMT -5
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Post by underworld on Mar 17, 2012 14:23:38 GMT -5
An interesting side note to this trade...McGee is obviously a Center. We were grooming both Mozgov and Koufos to be the Centers of our future. Interesting that now we have 3 7 foot centers on our roster, all with potential. I don't think this trade was any kind of message towards Mozzie and K2, but it is interesting nontheless. We could really trot out a huge lineup if Karl chose to. One thing I am noticing with Masai, he loves him some tall lengthy players. Which is probably good, as he is the anti-Karl in that regard. The only truly maybe undersized guy Denver has is Ty. I really like this strategy. Fitting athletic big players together can never be a bad thing. I agree with CLN, at some point we will need a post up threat on this team to be truly balanced. But in the meantime, we can win a lot of games if this team plays the way Karl wants them too - with defense and hustle and playing fast. It's also worth noting that KK got a deal and Moz didn't. I think KK has proven that he's at least a solid back up C - he has good hands and is athletic. McGee's arrival may be intended to light a fire under Moz. Moz has had ample opportunity this season to sieze control of the starting C position in Denver and he simply hasn't done it. He starts but doesn't finish games in Karl's rotation - primarily because he's still foul-prone and makes mistakes. He's not necessarily soft like Nene but he's not aggressive either. He has a limited post game and prefers taking the 12 footer instead of banging inside. I'm not ready to give up on Moz yet but it will be very interesting to watch who gains Karl's trust to close out games.
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Post by Nugz Junkie on Mar 17, 2012 14:25:28 GMT -5
Interesting. If both Nene and Cook are in Washington today to complete their physicals, then why wouldn't the trade be finalized today? Instead, the reports shows it will be finalized Sunday or Monday. Lets hope that is wrong and we will see McGee in uniform tonight.
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Post by Camby's Left Nut on Mar 17, 2012 14:26:35 GMT -5
Mozzy signed a 3 year/9 mill deal when he came to the NBA last season, and this is only the 2nd year of it. So he isn't eligible for an extension yet anyway. Koufos is in the last year of his rookie deal so that's why we were able to extend him.
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Post by nugzin2040 on Mar 17, 2012 14:40:00 GMT -5
Dunno if it's been mentioned in this thread yet or not.. But from what I've heard from Clipper fans, the 2nd round pick exchanged was the Hornets 2015 pick (from the CP3 trade).
If true, that's not a bad pickup for us. Hornets might still be a bad team then and Denver could get a #31-35 pick back.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2012 14:44:19 GMT -5
lol ur trying too hard
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Post by nugzin2040 on Mar 17, 2012 15:32:17 GMT -5
lol, I know it's a stretch.
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Post by nugzin2040 on Mar 17, 2012 15:36:32 GMT -5
Eric Pincus says it's possible this trade doesn't get completed. Possible, if the Wizards think Nene's injuries are a chronic injury twitter.com/#!/EricPincus/status/181110816966324224 twitter.com/#!/EricPincus/status/181111659341942785 twitter.com/#!/EricPincus/status/181111770096738304
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Post by Tymes Rhymes on Mar 17, 2012 15:43:08 GMT -5
Damn, that would f**k with chemistry even more.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2012 15:47:06 GMT -5
its also possible that obama is a reptillian extraterrestrial. f***ing relax.
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