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Post by Ring on Mar 8, 2024 12:15:36 GMT -5
At some point people have to point out and admit that MPJ is a major reason why Murray, Jokic and AG all have the space to do what they do. You can't just replace a guy who shoots that well at that height. You can get a better player but would the fit be better? No guarantees.
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Post by passtheballquick on Mar 8, 2024 12:50:19 GMT -5
At some point people have to point out and admit that MPJ is a major reason why Murray, Jokic and AG all have the space to do what they do. You can't just replace a guy who shoots that well at that height. You can get a better player but would the fit be better? No guarantees. Bogdanovic would be a better fit than mpj and he's playing for less than half of mpj's money. Bogdanovic is in top 10 in a few categories this year. He's also 10x smarter than mpj, can put the ball on the floor, can create for himself and can defend both Tatum or Brown better than mpj. Last time when Bogdanovic played with Jokic he shot 55% from 3 (WC in China)
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Post by passtheballquick on Mar 8, 2024 12:54:13 GMT -5
true, but Tatum will probably not get outplayed by Payton Watson during the course of a playoff series either. my respect of the Celtics as a finals foe is lessened after the season sweep but we're not beating this team 4 times making less than 5 threes per game. that much is certain. 100%. We beat them both times on Jokic's magic. Although I tend to agree with Fami regarding KP and his injury history but if that doesn't happen and we get 28 points average from Murray and MPJ we'll be swept
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Post by JB on Mar 8, 2024 13:14:34 GMT -5
Porzingis fell apart as the top 1/2 option. he's essentially playing the MPJ role for the Celtics so there's much less wear and tear than previous seasons.
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Post by famicommander on Mar 8, 2024 13:19:29 GMT -5
Guys who get hurt every year tend to find a way. Paul, Simmons, Embiid, Porzingis, Nurkic. I'm simply not going to believe they can stay healthy through a complete season and playoff run until they do it.
I've seen Kawhi do it but I'm still highly suspicious of him too.
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Post by funky on Mar 8, 2024 13:40:45 GMT -5
At some point people have to point out and admit that MPJ is a major reason why Murray, Jokic and AG all have the space to do what they do. You can't just replace a guy who shoots that well at that height. You can get a better player but would the fit be better? No guarantees. Bogdanovic would be a better fit than mpj and he's playing for less than half of mpj's money. Bogdanovic is in top 10 in a few categories this year. He's also 10x smarter than mpj, can put the ball on the floor, can create for himself and can defend both Tatum or Brown better than mpj. Last time when Bogdanovic played with Jokic he shot 55% from 3 (WC in China)
Nah. He's on-off way too often, he's nowhere near the rebounder MPJ is, his playmaking took a toll after him not being asked to do that for years now, he's older and injuries have been bothering him for a while. Trading MPJ for him would be a disaster.
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Post by freakns on Mar 8, 2024 13:53:47 GMT -5
We paid max money for the guy to sit on the bench in the crunch time lol Running it back...theme of the season even if that means MPJ isn't playing at the end of games. If Nuggets make another trip to the finals (don't have to win it but at least go 6 games), then MPJ isn't going anywhere in this offseason either. However, if they fail to get there then I'd wager Calvin will package MPJ along with this year's draft pick off to somewhere else to improve depth on the bench. you all crazy. Nuggets are not same team without MPJ. we are not sweeping Lakers if there was no MPJ. not to mention, he is actually very good defender when he plays as help defender. he still has some brain farts, but less and less compared to previous seasons, and if you compare him with Jamal on help side, its not even close, cause Jamal is always late! also, change him for Watson? OK, so how many teams are leaving Watson completely open and go down to guard Jokic 2 on 1 without leaving AG? you saw what happened against Phoenix with non shooting lineup, 20-1 series, we couldn't find the basket... trading him for which Bogdanovic? Bojan is 35 yrs old, Bogdan is 6ft5 on a good day. I cant believe we won freaking title, have best starting 5 in basketball and people still want to trade someone... ring wants AG out, rest wants either MPJ or Jamal, depends on day. come to think of it, rock is more sane then most of you
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Post by BBBbbb on Mar 8, 2024 13:59:04 GMT -5
At some point people have to point out and admit that MPJ is a major reason why Murray, Jokic and AG all have the space to do what they do. You can't just replace a guy who shoots that well at that height. You can get a better player but would the fit be better? No guarantees. Bogdanovic would be a better fit than mpj and he's playing for less than half of mpj's money. Bogdanovic is in top 10 in a few categories this year. He's also 10x smarter than mpj, can put the ball on the floor, can create for himself and can defend both Tatum or Brown better than mpj. Last time when Bogdanovic played with Jokic he shot 55% from 3 (WC in China) Is MPJ an overpay - yup, but AG is looking like quite an underpay. Same contract that media labeled as a huge overpay at the moment of signing. Things work differently in hindsight. We probably had to overpay for MPJ as some rebuilding tanker would might have taken a risk.
On the Bogdanovic thing - which one?
Neither could do what MPJ did for us in the playoff when the shot was not falling. MPJ is now not a bad help defender and he helps a lot with rebounding. As strange as it sounds both Bogdanovic are worse fit for us on defense. Bogdan would probably give more on offense, but has a pretty bad availability track record, resembling AD with nagging injuries. Bojan had a rough period injury wise and I'm not sure how much he can give at this point of his career (I don't care about his numbers from a dumpster fire Detroit).
Edit: missed the WC reference
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Post by JB on Mar 8, 2024 14:35:20 GMT -5
Bogdan is a 6'5 SG. swapping MPJ for him would be a disaster defensively and on the boards. I'd take him off the bench (on a heavily reduced salary) but in terms of comp, you have to compare him to KCP in the "who would you rather have" game. and it's not even a debate. KCP absolutely washes Bogie in every aspect that matters.
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Post by wizardofcozz on Mar 8, 2024 14:56:07 GMT -5
At some point people have to point out and admit that MPJ is a major reason why Murray, Jokic and AG all have the space to do what they do. You can't just replace a guy who shoots that well at that height. You can get a better player but would the fit be better? No guarantees. True, but he also is unplayable at times defensively, and if we reelace him with Watson down the stretch, then you are playing a guy who people won't guard at the 3 point line. Not sure what the answer is.
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Post by famicommander on Mar 8, 2024 15:50:55 GMT -5
AG's putback:
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Post by LotharBraunBrownBryant on Mar 8, 2024 16:50:45 GMT -5
AG's putback: Every single face in this image is fire.
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Post by JB on Mar 8, 2024 17:16:40 GMT -5
AG's monster putback inspired me to watch old clips of the putback king Kenyon Martin and I caught a familiar face from that picture which I found funny
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Post by passtheballquick on Mar 8, 2024 23:01:03 GMT -5
Bogdanovic would be a better fit than mpj and he's playing for less than half of mpj's money. Bogdanovic is in top 10 in a few categories this year. He's also 10x smarter than mpj, can put the ball on the floor, can create for himself and can defend both Tatum or Brown better than mpj. Last time when Bogdanovic played with Jokic he shot 55% from 3 (WC in China)
Nah. He's on-off way too often, he's nowhere near the rebounder MPJ is, his playmaking took a toll after him not being asked to do that for years now, he's older and injuries have been bothering him for a while. Trading MPJ for him would be a disaster.
So MPJ is consistent lol. I would trade MPJ for Bogi in a blink of an eye. One is making 16mil the other is making over 30mil. The shots that Mpj is missing, Bogi wouldn't miss with closed eyes. Mpj is averaging less points per game playing with the most unselfished superstar ever born and the other is playing with the most selfish midget ever born. Comon man
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Post by passtheballquick on Mar 8, 2024 23:06:36 GMT -5
Bogdan is a 6'5 SG. swapping MPJ for him would be a disaster defensively and on the boards. I'd take him off the bench (on a heavily reduced salary) but in terms of comp, you have to compare him to KCP in the "who would you rather have" game. and it's not even a debate. KCP absolutely washes Bogie in every aspect that matters. Bogi can play both SG and SF. He's much better player than MPJ and is playing for less than half the money. When you're trading MPj for Bogi that gives you money to pay Kcp, bring another bench player and upgrade your ofense. Once he gets disconnected from Jokic, I am not sure about Mike's career.
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Post by passtheballquick on Mar 8, 2024 23:13:16 GMT -5
Bogdanovic would be a better fit than mpj and he's playing for less than half of mpj's money. Bogdanovic is in top 10 in a few categories this year. He's also 10x smarter than mpj, can put the ball on the floor, can create for himself and can defend both Tatum or Brown better than mpj. Last time when Bogdanovic played with Jokic he shot 55% from 3 (WC in China) Is MPJ an overpay - yup, but AG is looking like quite an underpay. Same contract that media labeled as a huge overpay at the moment of signing. Things work differently in hindsight. We probably had to overpay for MPJ as some rebuilding tanker would might have taken a risk.
On the Bogdanovic thing - which one?
Neither could do what MPJ did for us in the playoff when the shot was not falling. MPJ is now not a bad help defender and he helps a lot with rebounding. As strange as it sounds both Bogdanovic are worse fit for us on defense. Bogdan would probably give more on offense, but has a pretty bad availability track record, resembling AD with nagging injuries. Bojan had a rough period injury wise and I'm not sure how much he can give at this point of his career (I don't care about his numbers from a dumpster fire Detroit).
Edit: missed the WC reference
Bogdan has bad availability compared to mpj lol
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Post by passtheballquick on Mar 8, 2024 23:18:11 GMT -5
And now Mpj is a good defender lol. The guy still doesn't understand the game. I like Mike but he's not even close to where I thought he'd be. I understand that the team deserves the chance to repeat but the window is not going to be opened forever
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Post by BBBbbb on Mar 9, 2024 4:08:34 GMT -5
...Bogdan would probably give more on offense, but has a pretty bad availability track record, resembling AD with nagging injuries.
Bogdan has bad availability compared to mpj lol Where do you see a comparison with MPJ? But if we're looking for an upgrade might not want a guy that has high % of not being there in playoffs due to an injury. And now Mpj is a good defender lol. The guy still doesn't understand the game. I like Mike but he's not even close to where I thought he'd be. I understand that the team deserves the chance to repeat but the window is not going to be opened forever Again, who called MPJ a good defender? He fits a lot better than any Bogdanovic in the starting lineup. We need the size he brings. Both are bad point of attack defenders, not a complete disaster that MPJ used to be 2 years ago. If we're replacing MPJ with a smaller guy that one needs to be a good defender. Preemptive repeat: It's easy to asses contracts in hindsight...
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Post by funky on Mar 9, 2024 5:09:44 GMT -5
Nah. He's on-off way too often, he's nowhere near the rebounder MPJ is, his playmaking took a toll after him not being asked to do that for years now, he's older and injuries have been bothering him for a while. Trading MPJ for him would be a disaster.
So MPJ is consistent lol. I would trade MPJ for Bogi in a blink of an eye. One is making 16mil the other is making over 30mil. The shots that Mpj is missing, Bogi wouldn't miss with closed eyes. Mpj is averaging less points per game playing with the most unselfished superstar ever born and the other is playing with the most selfish midget ever born. Comon man
MPJ can shoot over people, rebound, block and he defends way better than before. I'm a Bogdan believer, to be clear, and I've been watching him for 12-13 years, but he's not at MPJ's level right now.
Having him instead of Reggie would be something.
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Post by passtheballquick on Mar 9, 2024 9:55:31 GMT -5
So MPJ is consistent lol. I would trade MPJ for Bogi in a blink of an eye. One is making 16mil the other is making over 30mil. The shots that Mpj is missing, Bogi wouldn't miss with closed eyes. Mpj is averaging less points per game playing with the most unselfished superstar ever born and the other is playing with the most selfish midget ever born. Comon man
MPJ can shoot over people, rebound, block and he defends way better than before. I'm a Bogdan believer, to be clear, and I've been watching him for 12-13 years, but he's not at MPJ's level right now.
Having him instead of Reggie would be something.
If you're watching games, Mpj is not shooting over people and when he does he's missing those shots. He also can't create for himself. Anyway that trade is not happening but the money difference would be enough to retain Kcp and strengthen the bench without loosing anything.
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