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Post by jimijam28 on Feb 3, 2024 11:08:40 GMT -5
And now to be really really honest with you guys, the atmosphere at ball arena was EMBARRASSING. It was quiet, fake chants from audio and fans only got excited during all the entertainment sequences (like the halfcourt shot lol) and also, as I said all year, I watched only NCAA and Euroleague so far this year, this was my second Nuggets game. Bro, NBA is basketball is HORRIBLE. It’s horrible. It’s not entertaining anymore…. Sadly, really. I’m honestly looking forward to the CU vs AZ State and CSU vs Boise State game more than I do to the Nuggets vs POR and vs SAC games that we all have tickets for. Also the seats have gotten horribly tight, my fat ass hard real problems with it and I’m 100% sure 80% of the guys in the arena were fatter than me lol (for example, jimi sat right next to us) confirm
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Post by LotharBraunBrownBryant on Feb 3, 2024 11:49:33 GMT -5
February games against bad teams are pretty much the worst atmosphere you can get at Ball.
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Post by scooter on Feb 3, 2024 12:15:36 GMT -5
Porter is in a major funk. I think he’s worn down from playing every game, if not playing hurt. He will benefit from an AllStar break. I have no idea what happened to MPJ, but the #1 difference in his game is that he simply hasn't been the consistent shooter he was his entire career since the NBA finals. When MPJ used to shoot 3s, I'd be shocked if they didn't go in. You almost felt like they were automatic. Now, I pretty much have no idea if he's going to make the shot or not. He's still shooting close to 40% but he seems to be much less consistent than he's been in previous years. I do like that he's added some to his game and he's still useful but him not being an elite shooter hurts the Nuggets. I feel like the “elite shooter” thing was always a bit of wishful thinking on the part of Nuggets’ fans and homerism by Kroenke media as Porter’s outside shooting has never been super high volume — a total of 674 made threes — and he has consistently hovered a hair below 80% on FT shooting. A 79% FT shooter can be a good shooter but not a great shooter. There is no “great” shooter in the history of the NBA who is/was a 79% FT shooter. And on volume, in most of his healthy seasons, Klay Thompson has more than 300 made threes (Curry in the 400-500 range) and Porter has yet to have a single one where he has 250. Nuggets fans are lucky every month that his back holds up. He’s in a shooting slump but if he’s healthy, he’ll break out of it.
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Post by jimijam28 on Feb 3, 2024 12:43:56 GMT -5
One trick pony,
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Post by Ring on Feb 3, 2024 13:42:45 GMT -5
I have no idea what happened to MPJ, but the #1 difference in his game is that he simply hasn't been the consistent shooter he was his entire career since the NBA finals. When MPJ used to shoot 3s, I'd be shocked if they didn't go in. You almost felt like they were automatic. Now, I pretty much have no idea if he's going to make the shot or not. He's still shooting close to 40% but he seems to be much less consistent than he's been in previous years. I do like that he's added some to his game and he's still useful but him not being an elite shooter hurts the Nuggets. I feel like the “elite shooter” thing was always a bit of wishful thinking on the part of Nuggets’ fans and homerism by Kroenke media as Porter’s outside shooting has never been super high volume — a total of 674 made threes — and he has consistently hovered a hair below 80% on FT shooting. A 79% FT shooter can be a good shooter but not a great shooter. There is no “great” shooter in the history of the NBA who is/was a 79% FT shooter. And on volume, in most of his healthy seasons, Klay Thompson has more than 300 made threes (Curry in the 400-500 range) and Porter has yet to have a single one where he has 250. Nuggets fans are lucky every month that his back holds up. He’s in a shooting slump but if he’s healthy, he’ll break out of it. Unfair comparison because those guys were #1 and #2 options and MPJ misses games each year. Besides his 9 game back injury season he has shot 41, 42 and 44% from 3. Those are elite shooting numbers no matter how you want to slice it. This year he's at 39%. Still great but down for a career 41% 3 point shooter.
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Post by GBG on Feb 3, 2024 14:18:32 GMT -5
I feel like the “elite shooter” thing was always a bit of wishful thinking on the part of Nuggets’ fans and homerism by Kroenke media as Porter’s outside shooting has never been super high volume — a total of 674 made threes — and he has consistently hovered a hair below 80% on FT shooting. A 79% FT shooter can be a good shooter but not a great shooter. There is no “great” shooter in the history of the NBA who is/was a 79% FT shooter. And on volume, in most of his healthy seasons, Klay Thompson has more than 300 made threes (Curry in the 400-500 range) and Porter has yet to have a single one where he has 250. Nuggets fans are lucky every month that his back holds up. He’s in a shooting slump but if he’s healthy, he’ll break out of it. Unfair comparison because those guys were #1 and #2 options and MPJ misses games each year. Besides his 9 game back injury season he has shot 41, 42 and 44% from 3. Those are elite shooting numbers no matter how you want to slice it. This year he's at 39%. Still great but down for a career 41% 3 point shooter. Plus, I haven’t heard a single Nuggets fan saying that MPJ will or even should be on the level of prime Thompson, much less Curry. Two all-time great 3PT shooters. Scooter has never liked MPJ for multiple reasons that I can’t understand, even with offline conversations I have with him. He sees Porter as a role player on the level of role playing shooters like Bertans and Novak. His rebounding and height alone make him better than those two comps. But he has reached a plateau after taking a bit of a leap as a defender and rebounder in the last 12 months.
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Post by jimijam28 on Feb 3, 2024 14:33:15 GMT -5
He is a role player making 30 million, we will see if he can earn it in the playoffs
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Post by JB on Feb 3, 2024 14:58:44 GMT -5
MPJ was never as nearly as important to the Nuggets as Jokic or Murray, as evidenced by his offense completely falling apart during the finals and the Nuggets not missing a beat, but he is being paid like he is. so the lions share of the resentment should be directed towards the FO that has always put Mike on a pedestal for reasons unknown
the Nuggets already lost Bruce, if they also lose KCP due to the top-heavy roster, that would be an extremely difficult pill to swallow.
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Post by scooter on Feb 3, 2024 15:03:51 GMT -5
I feel like the “elite shooter” thing was always a bit of wishful thinking on the part of Nuggets’ fans and homerism by Kroenke media as Porter’s outside shooting has never been super high volume — a total of 674 made threes — and he has consistently hovered a hair below 80% on FT shooting. A 79% FT shooter can be a good shooter but not a great shooter. There is no “great” shooter in the history of the NBA who is/was a 79% FT shooter. And on volume, in most of his healthy seasons, Klay Thompson has more than 300 made threes (Curry in the 400-500 range) and Porter has yet to have a single one where he has 250. Nuggets fans are lucky every month that his back holds up. He’s in a shooting slump but if he’s healthy, he’ll break out of it. Unfair comparison because those guys were #1 and #2 options and MPJ misses games each year. Besides his 9 game back injury season he has shot 41, 42 and 44% from 3. Those are elite shooting numbers no matter how you want to slice it. This year he's at 39%. Still great but down for a career 41% 3 point shooter. You can use “ifs” and “buts” all you want, but the fact remains that since Porter is a career 79% FT shooter, not 86% like Thompson or 90% like Lillard or 88% like Dirk Nowitzki or 89% like Ray Allen or 89% for Larry Bird or [fill in the blanks with the name of any “great shooter”] he’s not a flat out great shooter and it should never surprise people when he has a week when he’s lousy. Porter is tied for 28th in three point make rate at 2.7/game, tied with the likes of Beasley, Kennard and Hield, all of whom are role players, not #1 or #2 options. Oh, and the vast majority of the guys in the top 50 in 3 point shooting are >80% on career FT%. No, I don’t think Porter is the second coming of Steve Novak or Davis Bertans (he has more game than them). But I do think he’s a role player. He’s playing an important role on the team because he’s a floor spacer on a team that is short on them, as Murray at #42 is the only Nugget currently in the top 50 in the NBA in 3PT%.
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Post by GBG on Feb 3, 2024 15:27:44 GMT -5
MPJ is not an AllStar and may never be. But to denigrate him as a “role player” seems like a swipe that is undeserved.
He’s a very good 25 year-old player, affixed as a starter and #3 option on a defending champion. That should earn him more respect.
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Post by rock on Feb 3, 2024 15:31:28 GMT -5
Did you guys see me and my buddy Jordan on the court during Rocky’s halftime shot? It was crazy man, I stood on that floor lol He made it on the very last shot, off the board while we were walking off….. and got us $800 😂😂😂 What a great first day lol Wait what? Is there video? How did you get selected?
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Post by hated sticky on Feb 3, 2024 15:35:56 GMT -5
Did you guys see me and my buddy Jordan on the court during Rocky’s halftime shot? It was crazy man, I stood on that floor lol He made it on the very last shot, off the board while we were walking off….. and got us $800 😂😂😂 What a great first day lol Wait what? Is there video? How did you get selected? My buddy Jordan has connections everywhere and they had this surprise for me
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Post by hated sticky on Feb 3, 2024 15:36:33 GMT -5
Did you guys see me and my buddy Jordan on the court during Rocky’s halftime shot? It was crazy man, I stood on that floor lol He made it on the very last shot, off the board while we were walking off….. and got us $800 😂😂😂 What a great first day lol Wait what? Is there video? How did you get selected? x.com/coachkoehler43/status/1753794251488399732?s=46&t=0ljU4WYKM2WNAPNPWOGrGQThere’s two videos here, go check the comment too
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Post by rock on Feb 3, 2024 15:46:31 GMT -5
Do I need a Twitter account to watch? I can’t see any videos when I click on the link
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Post by jimijam28 on Feb 3, 2024 16:25:29 GMT -5
Don't click any links from sticky it might be porn
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Post by passtheballquick on Feb 3, 2024 16:28:00 GMT -5
MPJ is not an AllStar and may never be. But to denigrate him as a “role player” seems like a swipe that is undeserved. He’s a very good 25 year-old player, affixed as a starter and #3 option on a defending champion. That should earn him more respect. At this stage oh his careet he is a role player and nothing else. He's a below average defender and does nothing above his shooting to contribute to the wins. Even his rebounding is questionable as he's mainly getting his rebounds when Jokic is boxing out players for him and rebounding without Jokic for a 6'10" player is below average. He can't put the ball on the floor, can't run the fast break and literally when he's not hitting shots he's next to useless on the floor considering max player money. If he was playing for 16-17 mil per he'd be evaluated differently
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Post by AbdulJabber on Feb 3, 2024 22:30:00 GMT -5
MPJ is not an AllStar and may never be. But to denigrate him as a “role player” seems like a swipe that is undeserved. He’s a very good 25 year-old player, affixed as a starter and #3 option on a defending champion. That should earn him more respect. People seem to have short memories. If we're just talking about production per dollar, yeah he's not putting up those kinds of numbers. But every team will have maybe 7-8 guys that will play in a tough playoff series. MPJ's one of them even when his shots weren't falling. That says a lot for me. I think it's also important to focus on the spacing he provides rather than splitting hairs over a couple percentage points. As long as he still commands as much attention as he does right now, I'm satisfied.
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Post by famicommander on Feb 3, 2024 23:07:00 GMT -5
As long as Jokic wants MPJ on the squad he'll be on the squad. It's really that simple.
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Post by passtheballquick on Feb 3, 2024 23:07:56 GMT -5
MPJ is not an AllStar and may never be. But to denigrate him as a “role player” seems like a swipe that is undeserved. He’s a very good 25 year-old player, affixed as a starter and #3 option on a defending champion. That should earn him more respect. People seem to have short memories. If we're just talking about production per dollar, yeah he's not putting up those kinds of numbers. But every team will have maybe 7-8 guys that will play in a tough playoff series. MPJ's one of them even when his shots weren't falling. That says a lot for me. I think it's also important to focus on the spacing he provides rather than splitting hairs over a couple percentage points. As long as he still commands as much attention as he does right now, I'm satisfied. What you just described is available for $15-17 mil per year. That's the problem
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Post by GBG on Feb 3, 2024 23:13:14 GMT -5
MPJ is not an AllStar and may never be. But to denigrate him as a “role player” seems like a swipe that is undeserved. He’s a very good 25 year-old player, affixed as a starter and #3 option on a defending champion. That should earn him more respect. People seem to have short memories. If we're just talking about production per dollar, yeah he's not putting up those kinds of numbers. But every team will have maybe 7-8 guys that will play in a tough playoff series. MPJ's one of them even when his shots weren't falling. That says a lot for me. I think it's also important to focus on the spacing he provides rather than splitting hairs over a couple percentage points. As long as he still commands as much attention as he does right now, I'm satisfied. Well said. MPJ is having a down year, possibly due to playing all 50 games after playing a long and intense postseason into June. His PER is only 14.5 compared to his career PER of 17.4. His WS/48 is only .100 versus his career mark of .128. His TS% 58.9%, down from his career TS% of 61.8%. He was much better on offense in the 2020/21 season when his PER, WS/48, and TS% in 61 games was 20.6/.173/ 66.3% at age 22. It’s entirely possible his surgery the next season took something away from his abilities. But we forget he’s more well-rounded now than in 2021 as he’s not lost on defense as much as he was then. Bottom line is that MPJ is still good, but worn down and it shows in his numbers. But as you said, he came through bigtime in the Finals when his shot went cold. He helped us win in other ways. No he’s not a max player, but he probably is worth AG money when all is taken into account.
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