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Post by Ring on Feb 1, 2024 16:47:29 GMT -5
Blowing up your roster in the middle of a season almost never leads to a championship. Adding a piece here or there, sure, but replacing a starter from last year's championship team in February? Y'all on crack. We couldn't even figure out how to integrate Jackson and Bryant into the rotation last year. You also owe it to the 5 starters to let them defend their title.
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Post by Ring on Feb 1, 2024 16:48:20 GMT -5
0% chance that I believe that story from Grants POV. The Nuggets had just made the WCF and were on the come up. Did they offer him the deal he got? No because it was a ridiculous overpay at the time. They offered him a fair deal. He wanted to go to Detroit to be a #1 guy and to play in an African American city with an African American GM. Don't let him try to rewrite history.
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Post by GBG on Feb 1, 2024 17:24:16 GMT -5
Wait what? We did match their offer And don’t compare grant and Bruce. Not the same situations at all I actually misremembered. Grant wanted a smaller deal (around 15m per), the Nuggets declined and told him to go find that number in the open market. he ended up finding a richer deal with the Pistons, to which we attempted to panic match at the very last second but the handshake deal with Weaver had already occurred. the only difference between Grant and Bruce is we were ineligible under the CBA to match the Pacers offer while we attempted to Wolf of Wallsreet Grant at the negotiation table and fell flat on our faces. The “only difference”, lol. JB, you’re a real clown, and it’s not just your picture. That is a HUGE difference!
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Post by JB on Feb 1, 2024 18:28:04 GMT -5
you have an emotional attachment to Bruce because he was one of the three bench players that were actually playable during our run, but during the bubble playoffs, Jerami Grant played some of the best defense I have ever seen on one the best players of this generation at his absolute peak. I would submit winning that series is the single most integral part of the Nuggets "hero journey", the moment that Jamal and Jokic were instilled with the confidence that they could beat any team, under any circumstance.
Jerami Grant deserves his flowers.
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Post by JB on Feb 1, 2024 18:33:22 GMT -5
0% chance that I believe that story from Grants POV. The Nuggets had just made the WCF and were on the come up. Did they offer him the deal he got? No because it was a ridiculous overpay at the time. They offered him a fair deal. He wanted to go to Detroit to be a #1 guy and to play in an African American city with an African American GM. Don't let him try to rewrite history. that always seemed like after-the-fact agent PR to me, especially considering he just re-upped with perhaps the whitest non-Utah city in the NBA lol
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Post by GBG on Feb 1, 2024 19:59:21 GMT -5
you have an emotional attachment to Bruce because he was one of the three bench players that were actually playable during our run, but during the bubble playoffs, Jerami Grant played some of the best defense I have ever seen on one the best players of this generation at his absolute peak. I would submit winning that series is the single most integral part of the Nuggets "hero journey", the moment that Jamal and Jokic were instilled with the confidence that they could beat any team, under any circumstance. Jerami Grant deserves his flowers. You just don’t understand. What you scoffed at as “the only difference” is a huge difference in terms of $$$. We could only offer Bruce single digit millions, and he’d have been a fool not to take the $20 million from Indy. No one can blame a professional athlete for taking a 200%+ raise that the incumbent employer couldn’t match. In Grant’s case, we could match and yet he bolted. Didn’t want to be here very badly. Maybe he was butthurt because he felt we lowballed him (which we didn’t). This “only difference” has nothing to do with on court production but rather the business side.
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Post by rock on Feb 1, 2024 22:16:50 GMT -5
you have an emotional attachment to Bruce because he was one of the three bench players that were actually playable during our run, but during the bubble playoffs, Jerami Grant played some of the best defense I have ever seen on one the best players of this generation at his absolute peak. I would submit winning that series is the single most integral part of the Nuggets "hero journey", the moment that Jamal and Jokic were instilled with the confidence that they could beat any team, under any circumstance. Jerami Grant deserves his flowers. How can you ignore the fact that Bruce loved this city, the fans and the team. If we could have offered him more I am 99.99% sure he would stay. Yes grant had his moments and is a good player but to act like how he left and how Bruce left were similar is disingenuous There’s a reason why bruce is still loved and grant isn’t.
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Post by passtheballquick on Feb 1, 2024 22:32:02 GMT -5
We don't know what happened but my gut feeling is that the front office screwed there. Grant could have stayed regardless but if somebody's telling you that you're not worth $15mil per and you easily get $20mil then the feelings get hurt and the managers take over. I wouldn't mind seeing Grant back now that TC is gone
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Post by JB on Feb 1, 2024 22:36:20 GMT -5
lol I love Brucie, I'm just being deliberately provocative to make a point.
Bruce would've taken the bag in 2020 if he were in Grant's position. and if we won a championship in the Mickey Mouse Hotel, we would all love Grant today even if everything played out exactly the same.
it's all relative.
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Post by LotharBraunBrownBryant on Feb 2, 2024 1:30:44 GMT -5
I'm just being deliberately provocative to make a point. Bruce would've taken the bag in 2020 if he were in Grant's position. and if we won a championship in the Mickey Mouse Hotel, we would all love Grant today even if everything played out exactly the same. Yeah, but your point is wrong. I think a lot of guys, if management said "we don't think you'll get $20m per year so go prove it" and then they got an offer, and management said "OK we'll match that", would stay with the better team. Bruce seems like someone who would have. Like he wasn't all "I want a bigger opportunity", he was all "this is a LOOOOOT more money than Denver can pay me". Grant was like "bigger opportunity, black city, black coach". I think if we'd won a championship in the bubble, we'd ... maybe feel better ... about Grant, but we wouldn't love him like Bruce if he left in the same way. We might not be as salty, but we wouldn't feel like "that's a Nugget for life" the way we are with Cowboy.
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Post by duh88 on Feb 2, 2024 3:58:43 GMT -5
After being burned by melo, Mole, and others -
Nuggets fans just want validation. We want to know that you love our state and appreciate us as fans.
Bruce Brown gave that to us in spades. It’s honestly not hard to give such validation - and Brown made it clear that he loved it here and was grateful.
Jerami Grant never complimented the town while he was here. Not once. No compliments for the town or fans offered.
It’s a partial reason why this town doesn’t care for him.
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Post by passtheballquick on Feb 2, 2024 10:06:15 GMT -5
I'm just being deliberately provocative to make a point. Bruce would've taken the bag in 2020 if he were in Grant's position. and if we won a championship in the Mickey Mouse Hotel, we would all love Grant today even if everything played out exactly the same. Yeah, but your point is wrong. I think a lot of guys, if management said "we don't think you'll get $20m per year so go prove it" and then they got an offer, and management said "OK we'll match that", would stay with the better team. Bruce seems like someone who would have. Like he wasn't all "I want a bigger opportunity", he was all "this is a LOOOOOT more money than Denver can pay me". Grant was like "bigger opportunity, black city, black coach". I think if we'd won a championship in the bubble, we'd ... maybe feel better ... about Grant, but we wouldn't love him like Bruce if he left in the same way. We might not be as salty, but we wouldn't feel like "that's a Nugget for life" the way we are with Cowboy. You would have a point if it was like that, like go and test 20mil market. What I am hearing it was more like you're not worth 15mil per and go and test the market and you go and get 20mil. That is insulting and usually doesn't end up on a friendly note. We never put Bruce in such a situation to know what he would do.
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Post by JB on Feb 2, 2024 11:29:01 GMT -5
the Nuggets misplayed their hand and lost Grant out of hubris. telling Grant "go, find a team that's willing to spend that much on you", and eating s**t after Grant calls your bluff does not rise to Iggy or Melo levels of betrayal in my opinion.
Bruce was always going to be a 1 season mercenary that signed with the Nuggets to raise his value and benefit from the Nikola Jokic stimulus package. and that he did. good for him by the way. but the two situations are not comparable, as there was no opportunity to "test" his loyalty as passtheball said.
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Post by LotharBraunBrownBryant on Feb 2, 2024 11:34:48 GMT -5
of course it's not Iggy or Melo levels. But it's also not Bruce levels.
Like on a 1-10 scale of betrayal, Iggy is at 11. f***ing mole ass b***h. Melo is a 7 because at least he got us a good return. Grant is maybe a 4. Bruce is a 0. There's no betrayal at all with Bruce. We knew we could only keep him if the offers he got were close, and that it was just a CBA thing, not a personal thing.
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Post by JB on Feb 2, 2024 11:50:35 GMT -5
it's just maddening because we gave "we believe in yuuuuu" money to:
Harris MPJ Murray Plum
every single one of those contracts were overpays at the time of signing. and I see Booth is carrying tradition giving Zeke that extension he didn't earn
but the guy who just held Kawhi freaking Leonard at his absolutely zenith to 8-18 & 6-22 shooting respectively in the final two games of the conference semis got the hardball treatment.
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