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Post by smookethesenuggs on Nov 18, 2010 19:21:05 GMT -5
knicksbackontrack -> Just deleted your post I see. Realized you were wrong? Next year NY has 6 players under contract for $41,684,758. Add 6 holds, and it is $44,684,758. Cap is about 58 million if I recall correctly, that's less than 14 million. Not max money. Next year, listen to me, New York have a cap space of 16. I think we can get Melo at that prize. Even if he wish a max contract it will be very easy renounce at 3 options we have: Chandler Walker Rautins In that case our salary would be 39. As you see we can take Melo as free-agent next year without problems. In my opinion, if Melo really wants to come in NY, And we can't be sure about that, i think that a trade would be better for both the team. for sure Knicks are avaiable to send you Mozgov Curry expiring contract 1 second rounders 2014 draft pick and... 1 between Gallo and Chandler, 1 between Anthony Randolph, Landry Fields, Felton. what do you guys think about it? (PS: Im not a New Yorker, I m Italian) Sorry bud, ShamSports is pretty much the Golden standard for salary info, and has you at 44+ without Chandler and Rautins. Not sure about the option on Walker, but even if you do that only shaves 900 thousand off.
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Post by Cara de Dedão on Nov 18, 2010 19:21:09 GMT -5
Look guys I tried to be nice about this! Melo is coming here. Im sorry to break it to you but its a fact. Now you take what you can or you end up like Cleveland and Toronto! Are you Donnie Walsh? Are you James Dolan?
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Post by voodoo on Nov 18, 2010 19:53:16 GMT -5
Look guys I tried to be nice about this! Melo is coming here. Im sorry to break it to you but its a fact. Now you take what you can or you end up like Cleveland and Toronto! Are you Donnie Walsh? Are you James Dolan? close it's Zeke
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Post by bigdog on Nov 18, 2010 20:07:24 GMT -5
knicksbackontrack -> Just deleted your post I see. Realized you were wrong? Next year NY has 6 players under contract for $41,684,758. Add 6 holds, and it is $44,684,758. Cap is about 58 million if I recall correctly, that's less than 14 million. Not max money. Next year, listen to me, New York have a cap space of 16. I think we can get Melo at that prize. Even if he wish a max contract it will be very easy renounce at 3 options we have: Chandler Walker Rautins In that case our salary would be 39. As you see we can take Melo as free-agent next year without problems. In my opinion, if Melo really wants to come in NY, And we can't be sure about that, i think that a trade would be better for both the team. for sure Knicks are avaiable to send you Mozgov Curry expiring contract 1 second rounders 2014 draft pick and... 1 between Gallo and Chandler, 1 between Anthony Randolph, Landry Fields, Felton. what do you guys think about it? (PS: Im not a New Yorker, I m Italian) Your numbers are wrong, you guys are at $44,222, 498 with Fields and Rautins under contracts with team options, and turiaf having a player option. giving the Knicks 10 players. you also have a cap hold for your draft pick which averages out to $1.2 million or so and a minimum player cap hold, meaning the Knicks are at $52.5 million, if the cap stayed the same which is doubtful you would be at $5.6 million in cap room. Now you the Knicks could renounce chandler adding $6.6 million to the cap, and also get lucky and have turiaf opt out which would give you $16.1 million in cap room after the additional cap holds, which is still about $2 million short for the max contract. You could also cut Rautins, and trade the pick, but even then you are still short of the max after cap holds. Walker could not be cut as he is now guaranteed for next year. In the end if the cap stayed exactly the same, the Knicks would have to renounce Chandler, have Turiaf opt out, trade their pick for a future pick or sell their pick, and trade one of Randolph, Galinari, or Mozgov for empty cap space. That is not even including what it would take to get the Nuggets to do for a sign and trade which I am sure Melo would want. so what exactly are the Knicks willing to give up to get melo now? Especially since walsh's job is more then likely on the line, considering he sold Dolan on the idea of 2 max guys by next offseason at the latest.
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Post by bigdog on Nov 18, 2010 20:08:32 GMT -5
Next year, listen to me, New York have a cap space of 16. I think we can get Melo at that prize. Even if he wish a max contract it will be very easy renounce at 3 options we have: Chandler Walker Rautins In that case our salary would be 39. As you see we can take Melo as free-agent next year without problems. In my opinion, if Melo really wants to come in NY, And we can't be sure about that, i think that a trade would be better for both the team. for sure Knicks are avaiable to send you Mozgov Curry expiring contract 1 second rounders 2014 draft pick and... 1 between Gallo and Chandler, 1 between Anthony Randolph, Landry Fields, Felton. what do you guys think about it? (PS: Im not a New Yorker, I m Italian) Sorry bud, ShamSports is pretty much the Golden standard for salary info, and has you at 44+ without Chandler and Rautins. Not sure about the option on Walker, but even if you do that only shaves 900 thousand off. Walker is guaranteed money, cutting him does nothing. Rautins is also on a minimum contract, cutting him does nothing for their cap either.
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Post by knicksbackontrack on Nov 18, 2010 21:33:09 GMT -5
Walker, Rautins, Landry, and Chandler are all team options. The only player option is Turiaf.
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Post by Cheese on Nov 18, 2010 21:43:36 GMT -5
Walker, Rautins, Landry, and Chandler are all team options. The only player option is Turiaf. Doesn't matter, decline all the options and NY is still at $44,684,758, which doesn't include any draft holds. Although I don't believe NY has any draft picks? Still not close to a max contract and that's assuming the cap isn't lowered.
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Post by Camby's Left Nut on Nov 18, 2010 21:47:37 GMT -5
It also depends on what the new "max" would be. But I doubt they would lower one by any greater of a percentage than the other.
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Post by bigdog on Nov 18, 2010 22:37:33 GMT -5
Walker, Rautins, Landry, and Chandler are all team options. The only player option is Turiaf. You may be right on Walker, Sham sports has it guaranteed Storytellers and Hoopshype have it as a team option. Even so, Walker only cuts $400 K off the cap, Fields and Rautins would only cut $290,000 each after cap holds. Chandler is not a team option, but is a restricted free agent, meaning they would have to renounce his rights to remove his cap hold of $6.6 million. Dropping all 4 of those players only saves the Knicks $7.5 million off the cap, leaving the Knicks with a total salary of $41.7 before cap holds. Given the Rockets and Knicks records this year, even with the pick swap I think it is safe to say that the pick would be mid to late lotto pick. Pick 14 comes with a salary hold of $1.52 million of course the higher the pick the higher the cap hold. Now you are at $43.22 million in cap holds. Cap holds are placed for empty roster slots up to 12, at the wage of rookie minimum salary at $490,180, given that the Knicks would have 8 players under contract that gives another cap hit of a little over $1.96 million. In total without any moves the Knicks have a cap hit of $45.18 million. In other words they have $13 million in cap room as they currently stand. Or about $5.4 million less then they need to sign Melo to a max deal. They also may get lucky and turiaf opts out, saving $4.3 million before the cap hit, after the hold of $490,180 is placed the Knicks cap would be at $41.31 million. Still about $1.4 million less then Melo would qualify for on a max contract.
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Post by knicksbackontrack on Nov 18, 2010 22:49:59 GMT -5
Look guys, Your gona lose Melo. It's pretty obvious, he has Pretty much dropped all the hints he can without getting fined.
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Post by Cheese on Nov 18, 2010 23:03:39 GMT -5
Look guys, Your gona lose Melo. It's pretty obvious, he has Pretty much dropped all the hints he can without getting fined. That's the best you can do? We provide you with facts and that's all you got? If Melo is leaving, NY isn't getting him. They can't sign him and I've seen quotes in which he said he didn't want to play for the Knicks and their system.
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Post by denbutsu on Nov 18, 2010 23:10:42 GMT -5
Look guys, Your gona lose Melo. It's pretty obvious, he has Pretty much dropped all the hints he can without getting fined. That's the best you can do? Yeah, I call for a ban not for trolling, but just for having no point.
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Post by milehigher on Nov 18, 2010 23:27:21 GMT -5
OK Guys, Im not that great with the salary cap but I know we have a max next year. Im trying to get someone from my Knicks Forum to crunch the numbers for me right now. Everyone knows we have a max next year over here. Our GM is always saying it. Everyone is wrong, every site I have seen has numbers right around $14 million in cap room prior to cap holds. Also your GM should stop saying you have max contract space next year given that the CBA is not even negotiated, and with the cap getting cut as most expect it will give the Knicks even less room. Last year it cost the Knicks Hill, a pick swap, and a 1st just to move jeffries one year. given they would have to move about the same amount of money this year, what do you think it is going to cost them to get it? I would bet it is more then most Knicks fans think they should give up for Melo. Like it or not the Knicks are going to have to either overpay for cap space or go through Denver to even have a shot at Melo. Luxury Tax means nothing to superbrat, James Dolan. The CBA's cuts will be relative to salaries, as well. The easiest way for Stern and the CBA to appease the strict mandate of the owners is to do one of 2 things: 1: Lower the salaries of middle and lower classed players and increase the salaries of MAX players. 2: To reduce the salaries of MAX contracts by roughly 30% and have a more level field throughout the league. If the decision is option 2, then there'll be far less red tape and fine print and the franchise owners will get, or at least be very close to, what they're seeking financially which is: They want to pay millions less for maximum deals and shorten contracts. Most of all, they want a hard salary cap and assurances that protect themselves against a diminished economy. And, I guess, protecting themselves from a stupid move or one with 20/20 hindsight. Like a Rashard Lewis, Kirilenko or Arenas deal. What's my point? If the outcome is the afore mentioned option 2 - which, let's face it, has to be more likely because there are approximately 30 max contracts out there and the rest of the 400 players in the league will start a revolution of the MAX increases as their salaries plummet - THEN Melo is better off in NY. Why? Because of the market, the endorsements, the high profile/celebrity perks of being the center of the basketball universe. Anything he achieves in NY will be amplified 100 times comparatively with the same achievement in Denver. He needs to sign his 3 year $65M deal now, or make like a tree. That tree being NY. The best basketball tree in the world. And let's be honest with ourselves.... The Fuggets are slowly slipping down the toilet. Your backs are against the wall boys!!! No cap room my anus!
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Post by LotharBraunBrownBryant on Nov 18, 2010 23:35:25 GMT -5
Dear Knicks fans,
If you are a real fan looking for real discussion, please stick around, respond to questions and information, and make good points.
If you're going to taunt, name-call, troll, or ignore the points people are making in response to you, I'll be banning you without a second thought.
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Post by bigdog on Nov 19, 2010 0:37:05 GMT -5
Everyone is wrong, every site I have seen has numbers right around $14 million in cap room prior to cap holds. Also your GM should stop saying you have max contract space next year given that the CBA is not even negotiated, and with the cap getting cut as most expect it will give the Knicks even less room. Last year it cost the Knicks Hill, a pick swap, and a 1st just to move jeffries one year. given they would have to move about the same amount of money this year, what do you think it is going to cost them to get it? I would bet it is more then most Knicks fans think they should give up for Melo. Like it or not the Knicks are going to have to either overpay for cap space or go through Denver to even have a shot at Melo. Luxury Tax means nothing to superbrat, James Dolan. The CBA's cuts will be relative to salaries, as well. The easiest way for Stern and the CBA to appease the strict mandate of the owners is to do one of 2 things: 1: Lower the salaries of middle and lower classed players and increase the salaries of MAX players. 2: To reduce the salaries of MAX contracts by roughly 30% and have a more level field throughout the league. If the decision is option 2, then there'll be far less red tape and fine print and the franchise owners will get, or at least be very close to, what they're seeking financially which is: They want to pay millions less for maximum deals and shorten contracts. Most of all, they want a hard salary cap and assurances that protect themselves against a diminished economy. And, I guess, protecting themselves from a stupid move or one with 20/20 hindsight. Like a Rashard Lewis, Kirilenko or Arenas deal. What's my point? If the outcome is the afore mentioned option 2 - which, let's face it, has to be more likely because there are approximately 30 max contracts out there and the rest of the 400 players in the league will start a revolution of the MAX increases as their salaries plummet - THEN Melo is better off in NY. Why? Because of the market, the endorsements, the high profile/celebrity perks of being the center of the basketball universe. Anything he achieves in NY will be amplified 100 times comparatively with the same achievement in Denver. He needs to sign his 3 year $65M deal now, or make like a tree. That tree being NY. The best basketball tree in the world. And let's be honest with ourselves.... The Fuggets are slowly slipping down the toilet. Your backs are against the wall boys!!! No cap room my anus! 1 luxury tax meaning nothing does nothing for a team when they are trying to sign a player for above the MLE, they can only go to the cap on a free agent signing. 2. there are approximately 20 max contracts in the NBA, do you think the other 420 or so players in the NBA are going to vote to allow the Max players to get raises while they take big paycuts? And is against the very basis of the union philosophy which is too take care of the lesser workers as well as the top guys. That will never be approved by the union, they have more of a chance raising the MLE and cutting max contracts. 3. The NBA does want to cut max salaries by 30%, however the minute Melo's believes it is going to happen, what do you think happens. I would bet he does not willingly take anywhere close to a 30% paycut. 4. The NBA is pushing for a 33% reduction in the cap, and a hard cap being put in place, how do you think that will affect a team without the cap space they already need? a 33% reduction in the cap cuts the cap by $17 million or so, while a 30% reduction in max contracts cuts the max melo would qualify for to $12.5 or so, meaning that not only are the Knicks nowhere close to even having cap space but they have to cut $13.5 million in money just to sign Melo. 5 I have asked what seems like 1000 New York fans to do this, maybe you can? Please provide a list or something verifiable showing that NBA or even NFL players make more money while playing in New York. Also you may want to get that to Melo considering he has already said several times that the endorsement money comes from national and international contract, which only come from winning. 6. I know that New York fans and writers love to call New York the mecca of basketball, but I would love for you to answer a question for me. When is the last time the Knicks signed anybody for market or below market value? If they all are desperate to play there, it should not take you long to come up with it, but don't worry we will all be around in a few weeks when you realize it has not happened in decades. 7. Please provide something with a quote from anybody but an unnamed source saying that Melo is only going to the Knicks. No innuendo or twisting of the meaning of something he has said, but a straight quote. I can show you quotes where he says that he does not want to play in a no defense system, where he only wants to win, he wants to weigh his options next summer, he never asked for a trade, he wants to play out the year in Denver, and the coming CBA is very scary to him, so can you show me one where he says anything about only wanting to go to New York?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2010 2:14:21 GMT -5
Everyone is wrong, every site I have seen has numbers right around $14 million in cap room prior to cap holds. Also your GM should stop saying you have max contract space next year given that the CBA is not even negotiated, and with the cap getting cut as most expect it will give the Knicks even less room. Last year it cost the Knicks Hill, a pick swap, and a 1st just to move jeffries one year. given they would have to move about the same amount of money this year, what do you think it is going to cost them to get it? I would bet it is more then most Knicks fans think they should give up for Melo. Like it or not the Knicks are going to have to either overpay for cap space or go through Denver to even have a shot at Melo. Luxury Tax means nothing to superbrat, James Dolan. The CBA's cuts will be relative to salaries, as well. The easiest way for Stern and the CBA to appease the strict mandate of the owners is to do one of 2 things: 1: Lower the salaries of middle and lower classed players and increase the salaries of MAX players. 2: To reduce the salaries of MAX contracts by roughly 30% and have a more level field throughout the league. If the decision is option 2, then there'll be far less red tape and fine print and the franchise owners will get, or at least be very close to, what they're seeking financially which is: They want to pay millions less for maximum deals and shorten contracts. Most of all, they want a hard salary cap and assurances that protect themselves against a diminished economy. And, I guess, protecting themselves from a stupid move or one with 20/20 hindsight. Like a Rashard Lewis, Kirilenko or Arenas deal. What's my point? If the outcome is the afore mentioned option 2 - which, let's face it, has to be more likely because there are approximately 30 max contracts out there and the rest of the 400 players in the league will start a revolution of the MAX increases as their salaries plummet - THEN Melo is better off in NY. Why? Because of the market, the endorsements, the high profile/celebrity perks of being the center of the basketball universe. Anything he achieves in NY will be amplified 100 times comparatively with the same achievement in Denver. He needs to sign his 3 year $65M deal now, or make like a tree. That tree being NY. The best basketball tree in the world. And let's be honest with ourselves.... The Fuggets are slowly slipping down the toilet. Your backs are against the wall boys!!! No cap room my anus! all of this work and yet no real common sense. if the 30% increase on max contracts does become reality, then melo will BEG for that extension...and it WONT be with NY.
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Post by Camby's Left Nut on Nov 19, 2010 10:49:31 GMT -5
Melo will be traded today. I am also buying a lottery ticket as well.
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Post by phil on Nov 19, 2010 11:28:05 GMT -5
“I know you expect a lot from me, and people expect a lot from me,” Gallinari said late Wednesday night, “but I’m not a superstar, I’m not an All-Star, I’m not LeBron, I’m not those great players. I’m an important player of the Knicks. And that’s what I’m trying to do, to help the team every time. Sometimes, can be these type of games, sometimes not. But as long as we win, it’s all good.”
It was a surprising response, and entirely unsolicited. Gallinari had just posted consecutive 20-point games for the first time this season — 21 in Denver and a season-high 27 in Sacramento — and was simply asked if he needed a performance like this for his confidence.
“He’s very secure in who he is and he’s very confident,” D’Antoni said. “He can tell you one thing, but he may think another. But I think he knows he has a lot of work to do to get where those guys are. He’s not up there. I don’t think that says he can’t get there, he’s just not them yet.”
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Post by phil on Nov 19, 2010 11:28:46 GMT -5
They guy doesn't hold himself to a high standard. If he isn't going to be an all-star then we dont want him :-)
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Post by knicksbackontrack on Nov 19, 2010 12:47:26 GMT -5
Gotta agree about Gallo.
Would you guys be intrested in a 3 team deal where you get Iggy from the 76ers and some other pieces from us (Toney Douglas, Anthony Randolph, Wilson Chandler) and we get Melo?
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