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Post by nuggetshipster on Dec 26, 2009 2:21:24 GMT -5
Stephen Jackson Kirk Hinrich Delonte West Ariza/Battier (whichever you consider to be sg) Kobe Wade Chandler Thabo Iguodala T.Evans (depending what position you want o say he plays) That's off the top of my head. The only players that would be better for this team would be Battier & Maybe Thabo (good rebounder) Battier is the only shut down defender, you're obsessed with.
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Post by deternice on Dec 26, 2009 2:23:39 GMT -5
This is were we disagree. I think we should have won against New Orleans as well - they were not above .500, but had been without CP. The whole point, however, is not that such "theory" should be perfect. The point is that thinking you can win any time you put real effort into it is dangerous, because you are bound to eventually lose games even when you do play hard - so the team should not take "bad" teams lightly as frequently as they do, not matter how highly they think of themselves. such "theory" has the nuggets at the best start in franchise history. i guess im confused why everybody is so negative? of course ur gonna lose a couple big games. 7 game series' are completely different. the problem with this team is pussy up front and young guys that should not anchor our bench. thats on the FO. injuries have caught us offguard as well (i dont know why, we get injured every year). We're on our best start by 1 game. We were 19-11 last season, with Melo missing a few games, Iverson on the team for the first 2 games, and Melo being hurt. 20-10 isn't that impressive, at least not compared to where we was last season.
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Post by deternice on Dec 26, 2009 2:24:40 GMT -5
Stephen Jackson Kirk Hinrich Delonte West Ariza/Battier (whichever you consider to be sg) Kobe Wade Chandler Thabo Iguodala T.Evans (depending what position you want o say he plays) That's off the top of my head. The only players that would be better for this team would be Delonte, Battier & Maybe Thabo (good rebounder) Battier is the only shut down defender, you're obsessed with. So you tell me to name who are better defenders, I do it, and now you're telling me who would be a good fit for the team?
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Post by NightHiker on Dec 26, 2009 2:25:26 GMT -5
such "theory" has the nuggets at the best start in franchise history. i guess im confused why everybody is so negative? of course ur gonna lose a couple big games. 7 game series' are completely different. You forgot to take into account the times the team lost because they were supposedly saving energy for games like this. Of course I am content with the current record - can't be really happy, however, considering the opportunities the team threw away so far. And that criticism does include Nene's lack of aggressiveness, as well as Melo's and Billups' ocasional selfish play, JR's inconsistency, the rotations sometimes (though there's much improvement on that regard from last year), among other things.
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Post by nuggetshipster on Dec 26, 2009 2:28:41 GMT -5
The only players that would be better for this team would be Delonte, Battier & Maybe Thabo (good rebounder) Battier is the only shut down defender, you're obsessed with. So you tell me to name who are better defenders, I do it, and now you're telling me who would be a good fit for the team? - You bitched about how AA is terrible and isn't an shut down defender - I asked you to name better defender - You did - I said who would fit better for this team. Two players. - My intention was to get you to understand that bitching isn't any point, cuz there ain't many better options out there
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Post by deternice on Dec 26, 2009 2:36:34 GMT -5
So you tell me to name who are better defenders, I do it, and now you're telling me who would be a good fit for the team? - You bitched about how AA is terrible and isn't an shut down defender - I asked you to name better defender - You did - I said who would fit better for this team. Two players. - My intention was to get you to understand that bitching isn't any point, cuz there ain't many better options out there There weren't many better options than Dahntay Jones. Doesn't mean I should be happy we have him. There aren't many options other than JR, doesn't mean I have to treat him like he's a great player. There aren't many better options than Nene, doesn't mean he's a superstar. There aren't many better options than George Karl, doesn't mean I should appreciate him as our coach. Do you not realize how stupid you sound? And you didn't ask for a "better fit". If so, I would've named a bunch of other guys who may not be better defenders than AA, but would be an upgrade over him. I give up. You can have the last word. Say what you like.
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Post by nuggetshipster on Dec 26, 2009 2:39:05 GMT -5
there were many better options than Dahntay Jones..
But what is the point of bitching? I get it when it's DJ & AC, but you hate EVERYONE.
Nene, CB, Melo, KMart, JR, Bird, AA, Lawson..
Isn't it sad to root for a team where you hate every player?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2009 2:42:28 GMT -5
such "theory" has the nuggets at the best start in franchise history. i guess im confused why everybody is so negative? of course ur gonna lose a couple big games. 7 game series' are completely different. You forgot to take into account the times the team lost because they were supposedly saving energy for games like this. i didnt forget anything. "saving energy" is still putting unfair words into my mouth. plz stop. we have played poorly on the road but we have also faced some important injuries which i think is a good thing. hopefully the FO realizes this young bench is not a championship bench.
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Post by deternice on Dec 26, 2009 2:49:04 GMT -5
Now I hate Nene, Melo, Kmart, Bird, JR and Lawson? This is my last post to you then I'm honestly done.
I like Nene and think he's the second most important player to this team. Problem with him is he's good one night and plays like a monster, then the next game he plays b***h ball and act like he doesn't want to be out there. I like him, but he can and should be much better.
I love Kenyon on this team. He's a great defender. I don't like his ugly offensive moves and how he prefer to tap the ball on rebounds instead of grabbing it.
I like JR. He's a sparkplug and can go for 40 any night. Problem is like Nene, he's inconsistent. Unlike Nene, JR doesn't have much of a brain. With his talent, there is no good reason he can't be a 20/5/4 player. His problem is he's stupid. But he's talented as hell and I like him. Pointing out that he's a chucker (which he is) and he's stupid (which he is) doesn't mean I hate him.
Carmelo is my favorite player. He's playing his best basketball and he's playing like he's on a mission. I have a problem when he sees a rebound in front of him, but he refuse to go get the rebound. That's my only issue with him.
I like Birdman. He gives energy (he wasn't at the beginning of the season, which is why I was always on his case) and he's a defensive presence. There is nothing to hate about the guy, except he falls for every pumpfake.
I love Lawson and I gave him praise everyday this offseason. I have an issue with him passing up open shots and "playing scared" in pressure situations. He played on UNC in championship games. This is the NBA, but I didn't expect to see him do this panic stuff that he's been doing. But he's a rookie, I give him a pass, and he's my second favorite player on the team.
You can play stupid all you like, but I don't see what you're getting out of it.
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Post by deternice on Dec 26, 2009 2:50:23 GMT -5
You forgot to take into account the times the team lost because they were supposedly saving energy for games like this. i didnt forget anything. "saving energy" is still putting unfair words into my mouth. plz stop. we have played poorly on the road but we have also faced some important injuries which i think is a good thing. hopefully the FO realizes this young bench is not a championship bench. What does "We faced important injuries" mean? Are you saying that we've played teams that were injured and we loss, which is a good thing? I'm really not understanding that. You don't have to be an idiot in your response, I'm trying to figure out what that meant.
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Post by NightHiker on Dec 26, 2009 2:57:10 GMT -5
we have played poorly on the road but we have also faced some important injuries which i think is a good thing. Sure we have faced some injuries. However, we have played teams with many more injuries and with arguably worse benches on paper that still kicked our asses. So no, I won't buy using the injuries as excuses for the poor play. Only lack of effort and seriousness can account for that, and that is a worrysome trait, good record or not.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2009 3:04:02 GMT -5
we have played poorly on the road but we have also faced some important injuries which i think is a good thing. Sure we have faced some injuries. However, we have played teams with many more injuries and with arguably worse benches on paper that still kicked our asses. So no, I won't buy using the injuries as excuses for the poor play. Only lack of effort and seriousness can account for that, and that is a worrysome trait, good record or not. not really an excuse but its pretty much fact, the bench has NOT stepped up for kmart and cb. they are young and inconsistant even if they are more talented on paper. again, i blame stan's cheap wallet. i think its fair to say we would be a 23-7 team (60 win season) at the very least with a more experienced and better bench. the bird signing sucked and the cheap moves that followed were no where near enough. still, this team when healthy WILL win the west. i firmly believe that.
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Post by NightHiker on Dec 26, 2009 3:12:40 GMT -5
I believe, considering the cards the FO were dealt, that they did a good job. Afflalo is having a rough few games, but has shown he can be a good fit. Ty still has much to learn, and I don't think they could've realistically done better with the draft. The Malik Allen and Graham moves didn't pan out, but the only guy I think we could've really have used is Frye, and he would not come here with an offer from the Suns on his plate. I don't have evidence to decide GK really barred the move for Joe Smith, though he could be useful ahead of Allen. All in all, I don't see how they could've done much better so far - they still have some assets to use, and I'll wait till they use them or not to pass further judgment.
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Post by deternice on Dec 26, 2009 3:15:24 GMT -5
I believe, considering the cards the FO were dealt, that they did a good job. Afflalo is having a rough few games, but has shown he can be a good fit. Ty still has much to learn, and I don't think they could've realistically done better with the draft. The Malik Allen and Graham moves didn't pan out, but the only guy I think we could've really have used is Frye, and he would not come here with an offer from the Suns on his plate. I don't have evidence to decide GK really barred the move for Joe Smith, though he could be useful ahead of Allen. All in all, I don't see how they could've done much better so far - they still have some assets to use, and I'll wait till they use them or not to pass further judgment. What assets do we have exactly?
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Post by NightHiker on Dec 26, 2009 3:19:10 GMT -5
Mostly the TEs, but we have a few expirings and Balk to sweeten a deal. Those could land us a useful player. Not great, mind you, but useful.
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Post by Number 1 Bonerrrrrr on Dec 26, 2009 3:23:28 GMT -5
The outcome of this game is... deternice is back on ignore. What was I thinking?
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Post by Phonzie20 on Dec 26, 2009 12:56:31 GMT -5
The last few pages give evidence as to why game threads are so massive after a loss.
There was a total of 4 members who kept going back and forth with each other. I see two instigators and I think everyone can see who the two are.
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Post by Camby's Left Nut on Dec 26, 2009 16:11:38 GMT -5
User # of Posts Erik the Viking 31 deternice 29 NightHiker 26 pac4eva5 24 CSeyoum 14 Seems about right.
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Post by CodyRoark on Dec 26, 2009 17:39:09 GMT -5
I live in Oregon, watched the game last night at the sports bar and had on my Melo jersey.... sad enough Nuggets lost... Had it close most the way until the fourth... Personally I thought most the calls Portland got were bullshit, and that flagrant kept them in it. I was disappointed in Nene last night and our D. At one point to cut it to a 1 pt deficit in the fourth he was right under the rim and tried one handing it and only got the front of the rim and gave up on the play. Melo tried hard and AC was 'okay' at first but then got torched. We can't have Nene play D on a 3 PT Shooter like Blake.
Disappointing game but it's all good because we are going to win the division and when Portland comes to Denver they are gonna get toasted!!!
NOW it's onto the Mavs. They are on a b2b and its time to take out our anger on them!!!
BTW: Bird had 5 blocks but 0 pts? Crazy but he did have a lot of good stops.
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