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Post by zeeman on May 27, 2009 23:19:11 GMT -5
Don't b***h about the refs! New Orleans hornets bitched and lost in 5. Dallas Mavericks bitched and lost in 5. LA Lakers bitched, and maybe the Nuggets can get an even called game in Game #7, cause you know the Nuggets are gonna blow he lakers out in Game #6
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Post by The Carterminator on May 27, 2009 23:20:16 GMT -5
those two passes to gasol in a row were killers. That's what I don't get. He practically handed the ball to Gasol in 2 consecutive possesions. What the f**k is up with that Billups?
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Post by bmelo on May 27, 2009 23:20:59 GMT -5
This may not be popular but I Think that LA played some of their best defense of the series in this game. At times out hustling us and making it difficult for us to get into our game. I think this actually had something to do with the bad play of some of our players. The funny thing is We still had a chance if we make some shots and did nto stagnate for 11 possessions. Its not them its our lineup. Two bigs is killing our offense. You seen once we played small, we was on the comeback quick and fast. Unfortunately, that was the time calls woulda helped us big time, cause we constantly took it to the hole
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Post by bigshotbillups on May 27, 2009 23:21:19 GMT -5
Don't b***h about the refs! New Orleans hornets bitched and lost in 5. Dallas Mavericks bitched and lost in 5. LA Lakers bitched, and maybe the Nuggets can get an even called game in Game #7, cause you know the Nuggets are gonna blow he lakers out in Game #6 I fear 7 will be worst than 5.
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Post by blagrange on May 27, 2009 23:21:33 GMT -5
30-35. The last 5 calls that LA got was in the last 3 minutes when we were trying to make a run. They were momentum killers.
But we should have not been trailing by 11 either. Melo should have been in when we were failing on offense in the begining of the 4th.
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Post by voodoo on May 27, 2009 23:22:53 GMT -5
Nothing was rigged. We are our own worst enemies. We aren't mentally prepared to win these games late. Maybe we will be by game 7. Yes, there were bad calls on Nene tonight, but you simply cannot rig a basketball game in that fashion. respectfully disagree. cbills came out aggressive shooting well, foul call, bs foul call he sits, loses aggressiveness cuz of foul trouble. Nene got horrible calls, Melo go no calls. It was a big momentum killer we could not charge the cup cuz we got no calls, that is effective by the refs for forcing this team into all jump shots. the refs were horrible they affected this game. Yes the nugs missed 11 shot in a row to start the 4th, turned the ball over especially cbills hurt with 2 to's in a row. birdman got pushed trying to rebound but bird got beasted by the LA bigs but with the bad fouls on Nene forced bird into the game too long where pau and odom abused him bad. I agree with what ruru said, we aren't mentally focused in these situations. The Nuggets lost this game in the 3rd when they went up 7 and then started to chuck 3's to put the game away instead of continuing to go with what was working. Melo was the only guy that continued to try to take it to the rack on the team during this sequence. It was another game we had in LA, but poor execution allowed the other team and the crowd to get back into the game. On to game 6.
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Post by NightHiker on May 27, 2009 23:23:16 GMT -5
The Lakers got the majority of the questionable calls, but that's not to sya the game was rigged. Do you know how hard it is to do that. The foul differential was too small for the game to have been rigged. I disagree that many calls were questionable. Some calls we questionable, many were not questionable, they were plain wrong. Now, please allow some abstraction to come into play, man. Of course the game was not "rigged" or "scripted" - I was venting and exaggerated. But to say the reffing didn't greatly influence this game is as much of an exaggeration as to say the game was rigged. I'm the last guy to put blame on the refs usually, but I was never as disgusted in the way a game was called as I was tonight. Yes, we did many stupid things - that doesn't mean we did not do enough to win on a fair called game. A team should not be supposed to win a game only when they play perfectly. They should just need to play better than the other team. When we are talking about one or two bad calls in the end of the game, you won't see me complaining. But this was much more than that.
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Post by bigshotbillups on May 27, 2009 23:24:06 GMT -5
In the post game interview, how do they decide who comes the podium first?
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Post by secondcoming15 on May 27, 2009 23:24:59 GMT -5
those two passes to gasol in a row were killers. That's what I don't get. He practically handed the ball to Gasol in 2 consecutive possesions. What the f**k is up with that Billups? I wouldn't put it entirely on billups, although he did get himself in trouble and had to pass out. No one else from the Nuggets saw he was in trouble, and helped him out by moving and creating an option for him to pass to. It almost looked as if he was anticipating the Nugget (I cant remember who it was either time) standing 5 feet behind the 3 point line, to cut towards the rim, but they never did.
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Post by The Carterminator on May 27, 2009 23:25:40 GMT -5
In the post game interview, how do they decide who comes the podium first? Stern
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Post by scooter on May 27, 2009 23:25:59 GMT -5
35-30 free throw differential. LA shot 48.7% to Denver's 38.2%. There were a couple questionable calls late but this one wasn't on the refs. Make your shots, you win. The free throw thing wasn't important. What was important was by taking Nene out of the game with multiple crappy calls, it screwed up our offense. People don't realize how important Nene is to our offense. He is 1) our only low post player against a big team, 2) the only guy we have that's big enough to set screens all over the court and create space for our skilled players, including lanes to get to get into the paint, and 3) our only good big man passer. Without Nene in their, they just smothered our perimeter players and it was too difficult for them to get any space to make plays. Nene gets reffed like he's a rookie, but he actually may be the most important player on our team. We were hosed.
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Post by ruru on May 27, 2009 23:27:55 GMT -5
foul differential was too small for the game to have been rigged. It's not really the foul differential that kills a team in a fixed game. It's when those fouls were called and how crucial they were. Timing is the key. That's what kills in a fixed game. That's what happpened here. Not to mention that a huge foul difference would've made it so obvious. Even Stern isn't that stupid. Now I'm not saying that it's entirely the refs fault. But they did have a huge part in this in ensuring the Lakers have a greater chance of winning this game. It's impossible to rig a game without a substantial disparity in fouls called. All fouls are crucial to every sequence of the game, just as every sequence of the game is crucial to fouls called. Does the crowd go wild when the calls go in their favor? Yes. We had a 7 point lead more than half-way through the third. Once again, this was our game to loss. IF the league was rigged, it would be far too great a risk to have the opponent lead like that relatively late in the game.
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Post by ruru on May 27, 2009 23:30:14 GMT -5
That's what I don't get. He practically handed the ball to Gasol in 2 consecutive possesions. What the f**k is up with that Billups? I wouldn't put it entirely on billups, although he did get himself in trouble and had to pass out. No one else from the Nuggets saw he was in trouble, and helped him out by moving and creating an option for him to pass to. It almost looked as if he was anticipating the Nugget (I cant remember who it was either time) standing 5 feet behind the 3 point line, to cut towards the rim, but they never did. Off of memeory, before I go back and look at it, Billups decided to hold, dribble, pass late when the the ovbious play was the swing to either Melo or Smith.
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Post by callmeking on May 27, 2009 23:30:21 GMT -5
THE REFS WERE BAD. CARMELO GOT KILLED, BUT KOBE ALSO GOT KILLED. THE REFS MADE A FEW BAD CALLS ON NENE A ALOT OF NO CALLS FOR BOTH TEAMS!
Thats understandable. Thats not what loss us the game. Billups decision making and JR chucking, had cost us the game. Not AC, Jones, Karl or the refs. Shut the f**k up and stop blaming the refs. LA got hacked in the 4th, as well. We didn't just start getting stops off of good d. Our leader and mancrush blew the game.
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Post by bigshotbillups on May 27, 2009 23:31:29 GMT -5
will any of the nuggs be interviewed or are they refusing to come out?
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Post by crounsa810 on May 27, 2009 23:31:32 GMT -5
Interesting little stat:
Fouls per quarter
Quarter 1:
Denver: 6 Lakers: 5
Quarter 2:
Denver: 9 Lakers:7
Quarter 3:
Denver: 4 Lakers: 6
Quarter 4:
Denver: 11 plus 2 T's (no foul shots on 1 of the 2 T's) Lakers: 4 plus 1 T (no foul shots on double T)
Hmmmmm.
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Post by callmeking on May 27, 2009 23:31:42 GMT -5
Can't forget CARMELO BEGGING FOR THE BALL when Walton was on him, but our leader did some stupid s**t, instead.
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Post by grimjay on May 27, 2009 23:34:07 GMT -5
As a Lakers fan, I saw lakers received some home cooking calls. As nuggets got in game 4.
But bigger problem of Denver was lost your aggression in 4th Q and quick J-shots rather than drive. Why didn't you keep feed Melo when team was struggle? At least Ref called on Lakers when Melo drive.
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Post by anon on May 27, 2009 23:35:22 GMT -5
The bottom line is A) we lost our cool a bit and panicked; B) our offense stagnated for a very long period of time; C) JR was cold again; D) we didn't finish around the rim and seemed to wait for the whistle instead of trying to finish.
I agree, some calls definitely screwed us, but we had a good lead in the 3rd and gave it back. I like the team but I think we too easily lose our poise and forget what made us successful earlier in the playoffs.
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Post by bigshotbillups on May 27, 2009 23:35:22 GMT -5
Interesting little stat: Fouls per quarter Quarter 1: Denver: 6 Lakers: 5 Quarter 2: Denver: 9 Lakers:7 Quarter 3: Denver: 4 Lakers: 6 Quarter 4: Denver: 11 plus 2 T's (no foul shots on 1 of the 2 T's) Lakers: 4 plus 1 T (no foul shots on double T) Hmmmmm. great. that is more than interesting, it is telling.
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