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Post by Anonymous on May 24, 2009 16:18:04 GMT -5
So he gets into foul trouble even quicker?
We should have won last game. We should have won game 1. We should be up 3-0, we've been outplaying this f*cking team we just make stupid ass decisions late in games that are very costly. This better be a win.
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Post by bundo's ghost on May 24, 2009 17:19:27 GMT -5
Play the game like it's your f*cking last, Nuggets.
Our second quarter crew completely lost our momentum in game 2. Keeping Melo in at the start of the second quarter is almost pointless when JR Smith shoots without thinking.
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Post by CSeyoum on May 24, 2009 17:30:35 GMT -5
Am I the only one in favor of sacrificing Carmelo offense and letting him guard Kobe when DJ is out? I like how Karl coached the last 2 series. Don't take Carmelo out until the opposing star come out. For Carmelo not to be tired, take him out when Kobe's out. But when DJ is out, put Carmelo on him. Not JR or anyone else. Truth is, it doesn't matter how good JR's d may look. When he's guarding Kobe, Kobe will abuse him in the post. With Carmelo on him, Kobe has to settle for deep jumpers. Hell, with Carmelo on him, Kobe can't get free to get the damn ball. carmelo cant guard kobe top of the key, he can only do it baseline or in the post...JR does a much better job on Kobe top of the key, while he gets abused in the post...I think Jr did fine, actualy he couldint have done any better., maybe making Kobe drive instead of taking that last 3 he made but...he really did a job job.
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Post by cambrad on May 24, 2009 17:45:14 GMT -5
wtf? That is the most retarded idea I have ever seen.
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Post by ruru on May 24, 2009 18:49:47 GMT -5
Not really. It's basically what we did last game. Melo can handle Kobe. And if Chauncey is going to use him as a decoy offensively, f**k it.
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Post by playaslk on May 24, 2009 18:57:32 GMT -5
To say that Denv has outplayed LA is pretty misguided. Either team could be up 3-0... thats not outplaying the other team. LA was 1 seed and Denver was 2. THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE CLOSE. As it stands now, LA is up 2-1 and the pressure is squarely on the Nuggets to win game 4. Would I bet the house on that happening when with pressure on LA they didnt get it done? No i wouldnt. Can Denver win game 4? Ofcourse. Can LA win game 4? Yes they can.
Dont forget that for as many crap shots from 3 Denver took, LA wasnt shooting a high % from the field either. It was a hard fought defensive game in G3 and the last few possessions went the Lakers way. Dont be so cocky because if the Nugs come out w/ the same attitude, they'll get their collective tattoos peeled.
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Post by playaslk on May 24, 2009 18:59:47 GMT -5
By the way, Melo can handle Kobe in spurts, not the whole game. KB would continuously drive to the bucket or pump fake Melo into fouls. Its too much of a risk to take with the main offensive threat for the nugs. If Melo sits, do you really think Denv is going to score enough points to win? Melo is the horse Nugs rode in on, so dont try to make him into a donkey which Kobe rides to the free throw line.
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Post by ruru on May 24, 2009 19:03:31 GMT -5
By the way, Melo can handle Kobe in spurts, not the whole game. KB would continuously drive to the bucket or pump fake Melo into fouls. Its too much of a risk to take with the main offensive threat for the nugs. If Melo sits, do you really think Denv is going to score enough points to win? Melo is the horse Nugs rode in on, so dont try to make him into a donkey which Kobe rides to the free throw line. If someone had told me that Denver would hold a lead with 1:30 to go in a game in which they shot 5-27 from 3, missed numerous lightly contested inside shots and got shooting performances of 4-13 from Melo, 5-15 from Billups and 4-14 from Jr SMith, I would have s**t in your eye.
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Post by ruru on May 24, 2009 19:13:44 GMT -5
To say that Denv has outplayed LA is pretty misguided. Either team could be up 3-0... thats not outplaying the other team. LA was 1 seed and Denver was 2. THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE CLOSE. As it stands now, LA is up 2-1 and the pressure is squarely on the Nuggets to win game 4. Would I bet the house on that happening when with pressure on LA they didnt get it done? No i wouldnt. Can Denver win game 4? Ofcourse. Can LA win game 4? Yes they can. Dont forget that for as many crap shots from 3 Denver took, LA wasnt shooting a high % from the field either. It was a hard fought defensive game in G3 and the last few possessions went the Lakers way. Dont be so cocky because if the Nugs come out w/ the same attitude, they'll get their collective tattoos peeled. The Lakers aren't really a GREAT 3 pt shooting team in the first place. They have 8 guys that can hit them, but none are great shooters and most are average or below average. They are getting an out of body experience from Ariza in the playoffs. The Lakers rely on the greatness of Kobe and their length-- a ton of team's cower to that proposition.--The Nuggets aren't about to do that if it's not evident by now. If Denver takes away the Lakers 2nd chance points, and wins the rebound and points in the paint battle they are a better team IMO. So far, Kobe has been almost flawless in each fourth quarter. Billups nor Melo have yet to really hit anybig shots in the latter part of the fourth. From a Nuggets perspective, their is much to be happy about. As a Laker fan I would realize that Kobe has carried me to both wins. How long can he do that? Sure Gasol has shown some newfound grit in the last game-- but that's relatively new for him. Ariza has hit a ton of big shots-- how long can that last for a 30% 3pt shooter? In all 3 games Denver has been the more physical teamand much of the time the better defensive team-- and that's not likely to change anynmore than the Lakers long arms shrinking.
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Post by playaslk on May 24, 2009 19:14:55 GMT -5
Yes thats my point, 3 games came down to the final minutes... and 2 of them went away from denver... Game 2, Lakers could say got away from them.... Bynum hasnt had a real game yet.... Fisher has been getting lit up and so has Odom. Birdman is giving Denver crazy points from a spot you cannot expect much from. I wont even talk about Vujacich who not only doesnt produce but takes insane shots in transition. Im surprised he even hits the rim on some of his "throws"...
As far as game 3, LA missed 1/3 of their freethrows. As much as Nugs fans think they lost the game, LA could point to that and say that they shouldnt have been close.
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Post by ruru on May 24, 2009 19:36:39 GMT -5
Yes thats my point, 3 games came down to the final minutes... and 2 of them went away from denver... Game 2, Lakers could say got away from them.... Bynum hasnt had a real game yet.... Fisher has been getting lit up and so has Odom. Birdman is giving Denver crazy points from a spot you cannot expect much from. I wont even talk about Vujacich who not only doesnt produce but takes insane shots in transition. Im surprised he even hits the rim on some of his "throws"... As far as game 3, LA missed 1/3 of their freethrows. As much as Nugs fans think they lost the game, LA could point to that and say that they shouldnt have been close. The Lakers are diminshing returns whereas the Nuggets, with less pieces,are more capable of playing within roles.
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Post by spursfan on May 24, 2009 19:37:15 GMT -5
By the way, Melo can handle Kobe in spurts, not the whole game. KB would continuously drive to the bucket or pump fake Melo into fouls. Its too much of a risk to take with the main offensive threat for the nugs. If Melo sits, do you really think Denv is going to score enough points to win? Melo is the horse Nugs rode in on, so dont try to make him into a donkey which Kobe rides to the free throw line. Dude, noone can handle Kobe!!! I'd tell whomever is guardin him not to leave thier feet while guardin'em!!!! Furthermore, I'd make Kobe bet Denver & hold everone in check!!!!
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Post by playaslk on May 24, 2009 19:49:55 GMT -5
The Lakers aren't really a GREAT 3 pt shooting team in the first place. They have 8 guys that can hit them, but none are great shooters and most are average or below average. They are getting an out of body experience from Ariza in the playoffs. The Lakers rely on the greatness of Kobe and their length-- a ton of team's cower to that proposition.--The Nuggets aren't about to do that if it's not evident by now. If Denver takes away the Lakers 2nd chance points, and wins the rebound and points in the paint battle they are a better team IMO. So far, Kobe has been almost flawless in each fourth quarter. Billups nor Melo have yet to really hit anybig shots in the latter part of the fourth. From a Nuggets perspective, their is much to be happy about. As a Laker fan I would realize that Kobe has carried me to both wins. How long can he do that? Sure Gasol has shown some newfound grit in the last game-- but that's relatively new for him. Ariza has hit a ton of big shots-- how long can that last for a 30% 3pt shooter? In all 3 games Denver has been the more physical teamand much of the time the better defensive team-- and that's not likely to change anynmore than the Lakers long arms shrinking. [/quote] Actually the Lakers are an avg 3 point shooting team. If you take away Vujachic who has been ice cold all year, they fairly decent. That is not whats being discussed here. Gasol, all of a sudden, became a 60% free throw shooter in the playoffs (a big dropoff). Since you guys dont really watch the Lakers much apparently, they have a LOT more upside than has been shown so far. They are capable of playing like world talanted team that they actually are and getting 435 a quarter consistently. Have they done it so far? No. Part of that is LA having long, difficult, physical matchups w/ the Jazz and Houston, who I may add are much more physical than Denver..., and part of it is Denver's D, which I have to say, has suprised me as a decent help D in the paint. Birdman, while not very skilled offensively, plays w/ a passion. To sum it up, LA has not played a game thats close to their max output, in efficiency, in defense or full 48 minutes in energy... Part of that is Denver, and part is the previous games Lakers logged in the playoffs. This series could go either way, but to say that Denver is so much better, or that LA didn't deserve to win any of the games is dumb, blind and disrespectful to your opponent.... something I thought Denver should have learned after quite a few early exits from the playoffs over the past few years. By the way, all of the Billups bashers... TRUST me, he's better than anyone else you got at that spot. I'd trade fisher for billups ANYDAY. not only is he deceptively fast and gets TONS of calls from the refs, he hits crushing shots throughout the game. Without him, I doubt Denver would have gotten past the Mavs. (check out his assist to TO ratios, pretty good)
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2009 19:58:15 GMT -5
EASY FUCKlNG WIN BTW.
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Post by Mad_r0 on May 24, 2009 20:01:27 GMT -5
If Melo don't foul out again and force dumb shots.
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Post by bmelo on May 24, 2009 20:03:18 GMT -5
I want to see this team learn from dumbass mistakes. So that means from now on in the playoffs, the inbound pass should be no problem
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Post by Santana on May 24, 2009 21:28:20 GMT -5
We have to beat LA 3 out of the next 4. We only have 1 Carmelo and he can't pass to himself. Its over But he would, if he could.
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Post by keke on May 24, 2009 21:50:27 GMT -5
Melo's 3pt attempt shouldn't more than 5 ever
dont fall in love with the f***ing "1-13" three point shot, attack the rim please!
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Post by killamike on May 24, 2009 22:20:07 GMT -5
Win or it's over isn't urgent enough.
Win or die works.
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Post by ruru on May 25, 2009 0:07:40 GMT -5
The Lakers aren't really a GREAT 3 pt shooting team in the first place. They have 8 guys that can hit them, but none are great shooters and most are average or below average. They are getting an out of body experience from Ariza in the playoffs. The Lakers rely on the greatness of Kobe and their length-- a ton of team's cower to that proposition.--The Nuggets aren't about to do that if it's not evident by now. If Denver takes away the Lakers 2nd chance points, and wins the rebound and points in the paint battle they are a better team IMO. So far, Kobe has been almost flawless in each fourth quarter. Billups nor Melo have yet to really hit anybig shots in the latter part of the fourth. From a Nuggets perspective, their is much to be happy about. As a Laker fan I would realize that Kobe has carried me to both wins. How long can he do that? Sure Gasol has shown some newfound grit in the last game-- but that's relatively new for him. Ariza has hit a ton of big shots-- how long can that last for a 30% 3pt shooter? In all 3 games Denver has been the more physical teamand much of the time the better defensive team-- and that's not likely to change anynmore than the Lakers long arms shrinking. Actually the Lakers are an avg 3 point shooting team. If you take away Vujachic who has been ice cold all year, they fairly decent. That is not whats being discussed here. Gasol, all of a sudden, became a 60% free throw shooter in the playoffs (a big dropoff). Since you guys dont really watch the Lakers much apparently, they have a LOT more upside than has been shown so far. They are capable of playing like world talanted team that they actually are and getting 435 a quarter consistently. Have they done it so far? No. Part of that is LA having long, difficult, physical matchups w/ the Jazz and Houston, who I may add are much more physical than Denver..., and part of it is Denver's D, which I have to say, has suprised me as a decent help D in the paint. Birdman, while not very skilled offensively, plays w/ a passion. To sum it up, LA has not played a game thats close to their max output, in efficiency, in defense or full 48 minutes in energy... Part of that is Denver, and part is the previous games Lakers logged in the playoffs. This series could go either way, but to say that Denver is so much better, or that LA didn't deserve to win any of the games is dumb, blind and disrespectful to your opponent.... something I thought Denver should have learned after quite a few early exits from the playoffs over the past few years. By the way, all of the Billups bashers... TRUST me, he's better than anyone else you got at that spot. I'd trade fisher for billups ANYDAY. not only is he deceptively fast and gets TONS of calls from the refs, he hits crushing shots throughout the game. Without him, I doubt Denver would have gotten past the Mavs. (check out his assist to TO ratios, pretty good)[/quote] "The Jazz are more physical than Denver." Ban this kid rock.
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